I have to say, when folks are complaining about ANYTHING that costs less than dinner for 4 at a restaurant they are out of their minds.
With 13k in guitar gear alone.....
 
 

musicroom
These type of threads spiders out to a lot opinions - some appear to be downright rants while other posts appear to be a bit more constructive. I think everyone who owns a license to use X2 has a right to state their opinions here as long as it stays within the TOS guidelines. The type of posts that irritates me is when someone mentions they use X2 without major grief, the disbelieving sarcasm comes flowing in. A lot of these same posters than take a stance that the satisfied users don't tolerate the dissatisfied users. Quite frankly, it appears to be the opposite. It you're a satisfied user, be prepared to be called a fanboi and in general be disrespected by the ones who claim bugs are everywhere. If the product is working or not working for you, then by all means, state your stance. Go for it. Lastly, I'm in the dark with the bazillion bugs that keep people unhappy and unable to use the product. What are these showstoppers? Do I have a special musicroom version? Because I load it up, arm the tracks and record. I then load the project and edit/mix. I'm not inhibited in anyway. No stutters, no crashes. It just works. Does the lack of customizing colors bother me, very little, but not really. I would like to customize more, but it isn't like the look isn't clean and professional. Not high contrast pink and yellow for instance. It's just software, and imo a very good value for the dollar. We usually can "choose" to update for what a mid range vst might cost. I guess I should thank cake/roland for sending me the non-lemon version. If anyone wants my copy to put their license on, let me know.
 
 

Yet another "since it works for me other's problems are not real" post.

I'd say it means an upgrade is just around the corner. After all, if Cakewalk doesn't periodically get some income, they won't be around. The question is what form will it take? Will it be: 
X2.5 - a for pay upgrade for less than a full version upgrade a la Sonar 8.5
X2-Extended (X2x for short) - a pay version for some additional features and usability enhancements a la X1 Extended
X3 - the likely choice
Hopefully they will continue to give special discounts and gifts to early adopters. 

The current specials do indicate to me that X3 is very near. I will upgrade to X3 the moment it is released. I trust Cakewalk and believe in their company. In my opinion they offer a fantastic product at a very fair price. It is just the tool I need to do my job. Thank you Cakewalk.

backwoods
Companies can learn from constructive criticism I agree but how much venting on this forum is constructive? What can Cakewalk learn by having that cclarry post pinned up in every office? That they have "TREMENDOUS egos"?   Some guys around here seem to think a company would prefer to have more dissatisfied customers than pleased ones. Because it would help the company improve more quickly or something.....

Well, I agree that part is probably inaccurate, and definitely emotive.
 
But to be honest, that was my point. People do get emotive. People are getting upset. It leads to name calling and frustration. It's called passion. We're all passionate about creating music are we not? People just want their software to work as advertised.
 
And if it isn't, and when they aren't even given a morsel of information to keep them sweet, they get angry. As I inferred in my post, a company that is quite often reading angry and frustrated comments about their product needs to do something. My opinion was simply that locking threads and banning the unhappy customers isn't a very sensible or prudent modus operandi in business.
 
Seriously, and be honest, how many people do you think have been on these boards recently malevolently bad mouthing SONAR and Cakewalk? As far as I can tell, every one of them has had a genuine grievance at some stage. Some, I'll agree, have gone a bit over the top. But the vast majority have just been posting out of frustration.
 

backwoods
Also, who are these guys who think Sonar is perfect? No such guys I'm afraid steve. If you want a guy talking about a near perfect DAW on the Cakewalk forum you keep an eye out for the Jeff Evans posts.

 
Come off it. Unless you've been living on a different planet, you know, the same as the rest of us know, the names of those who have never had a bad word to say about SONAR or Cakewalk. Not only that, but for some inexplicable and perverse reason, they seem to take on the mantle of self-appointed defence counsel whenever the good name of the product or company is brought in to question.
 
I won't name names, as that would be inappropriate, but I know of one forum member who actually caught one of these guys out in a lie a few versions back. He was adamant that a certain Cakewalk feature was indeed working fine on his rig. However, the feature in question had never worked - for anyone. But for some weird reason, the guy was prepared to tell a bare-faced lie so as to make the product look perfect.
 
And I have a feeling that the guy who caught him out might read this and confirm for you.

endoverend
I have to say, when folks are complaining about ANYTHING that costs less than dinner for 4 at a restaurant they are out of their minds.
With 13k in guitar gear alone.....
 
 

This comment was less useful than even some of the more hyperbolic complaints.
 
If I paid $600* for four people to eat at a restaurant where there were slugs moving around in the salad I think I would probably mention it to the manager.
 
*Production Suite + upgrade
 
Also I do not have the luxury of buying dinner for four at $100 (which is what I'm assuming you were actually trying to refer to) because every penny NEEDS to go into my recording equipment. So I hold the purchase to a higher standard than a simple meal as I'm sure many others do. It is supposed to be professional quality. I have never worked in an industry where professional quality tools were allowed to be released with flaws and those that purchase them told to stuff it when they complain whether by the company themselves or others in the trade. Companies like that do that do not survive because people move on to those that are willing to stand behind their product. I KNOW the Bakers would love to have the resources to fix things and I do not blame them for this mess. I want to use Sonar and WILL continue to use Sonar but I cannot in good conscience continue throwing money down a well that seems to slowly be being poisoned. Cakewalk and people who intend to make money off them (aka Roland and their shareholders) need to be aware of what the customer base is thinking so they can see that cutting corners will NOT turn them a higher profit in the long run.
 
Which brings me to my next point...
 
Bashing for the sake of bashing is not cool. It is annoying, unhelpful and just gets people riled up for no reason. People expressing their legitimate concerns /= bashing. The bakers have said it multiple times... they WANT constructive criticism. This forum serves two major cost saving functions for Cakewalk. One is reducing the amount of support calls by letting the user base help each other solve problems and the other is infinite market research for the comparatively low price of hosting fees. If it turns into an echo chamber that immediately shuns and attacks any comments that are not 100% positive then that second function is no longer effective and everyone suffers.
 
So basically I say to the haterz... chill out and explain your position without losing your shiz or trying to tick people off intentionally and don't post thread after thread about it. There are plenty of opportunities in existing threads to express your concerns. The bakers do read this site even if they don't always chime in.
 
To the hater haterz... don't attack those who are expressing legitimate concerns in a productive manner in hopes that Cake and their masters are listening. Without these types of conversations Cakewalk cannot develop their product or glean insights as to what people like/dislike/don't care about. When you make people feel uncomfortable or afraid they are gonna get dogpiled you actually HURT Cakewalk and the rest of the user base because those ideas and concerns are lost. Report egregious offenders to the mods and let them decide what is acceptable and what is not.
 
Peace.

vintagevibe
 
Yet another "since it works for me other's problems are not real" post.

 
Never said they were not real, I'm just out of the loop as to what the big problems are. If it's take lanes, I don't like them much either. Navigation, zooming along with more intuitive audio editing tools is something I want all the time. I don't need to push my projects too hard so I may not see what some of you are experiencing - usually about 25 to 30 tracks of audio and midi. My main point is this, if the product works for me, that is not a bad thing and shouldn't be met with sarcasm. It's what I expected. If it doesn't work for someone else, I hope it can be fixed soon. I would be highly frustrated if the daw I used didn't work. 

I can understand your points steve. So people do sort of go beyond the call of duty to defend something that might not being cutting it for others. I just don't see anyone who thinks Sonar is perfect.
 
Beepster- my first version of Sonar was 7 and X2 is far improved on that program for me. For instance, the LP EQ used to crash 7 when I moved the nodes. As for saying you know of no industry where professional tools are allowed to be released with flaws- well, that's bollocks- look at every single DAW. And the poisoned well comment is ridiculous too in my opinion.

backwoods
I can understand your points steve. So people do sort of go beyond the call of duty to defend something that might not being cutting it for others. I just don't see anyone who thinks Sonar is perfect.
 
Beepster- my first version of Sonar was 7 and X2 is far improved on that program for me. For instance, the LP EQ used to crash 7 when I moved the nodes. As for saying you know of no industry where professional tools are allowed to be released with flaws- well, that's bollocks- look at every single DAW. And the poisoned well comment is ridiculous too in my opinion.

Your comments are absolutely useless and I've been intentionally ignoring you. Seriously, get over yourself. I cannot remember you offering helpful advice at any time ever but for some reason I remember you pulling this holier than thou act and crapping on other members. How about you provide something positive and constructive to the forum instead of trying to inflate your own ego by putting down others? You talk about people not being welcome if they move on to other DAWs? Well you invoke Jeff. I'm pretty sure he doesn't use Sonar as his main DAW yet he is one of the most helpful and intelligent people on this site? How about guys like Rain? I'd rather have a hundred of those guys than one of you.
 
Play nice or go away.

Yeah, but Cakewalk would rather have a hundred of me because I actually buy their products. Jeff Evans has already been banned once forpromoting Studio One on this forum beepster.