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2013/07/03 16:20:26
wizard71
Galaxy vintage D. ...
Fab.
2013/07/03 21:01:44
meh
CJaysMusic
1. What are you missing in the sound? What do you not like about the sound?
2. Explain what you have tried so far and what effects you added and the settings for those effects
 Whats included in Sonar is definitely capable of making great piano sounds. 
 

It seems that no matter what piano True, SI Electric or Demension, it's like the attach is too brittle for lack of words.....
They don't seem to fit in the mix with other "live" instruments.
 
Best way I can describe it.
 
rafone
2013/07/03 22:36:19
daveny5
Well, how are you triggering the sounds? Are you using a MIDI keyboard or PRV? If a MIDI keyboard, maybe you need to set the velocity curve to your liking. Also, how are you monitoring the sound? 
2013/07/03 22:39:00
lapieuvre
You have to look at Quantum Leap Pianos.  They are on special these days. 
2013/07/03 23:27:01
konradh
Ivory II Grands is superb.  There are some others that are as good, but I don't think any are better.
 
Pianoteq will not sound quite as good, but since it is modeled instead of sampled, it has a very small footprint.
 
Since I got Ivory, however, I don't use anything else.  What is cool about Ivory II Grands is that it includes a breath-taking Steinway (that is good for anything), a bright Yamaha for rock and country, and a Bosendorfer for those who prefer that.  When I play the Steinway, I can smell the wood.
 
Note that Ivory II includes EQ and reverb options.  The high shelf is nice for using a Steinway in pop tracks.
2013/07/03 23:40:22
stevec
Just to add another option, "Eight Eight 2.0" from Sonivox has some decent solo demos - sounds pretty good IMO and the price is good.
 
2013/07/04 04:56:02
SilverfoxUK
meh
It seems that no matter what piano True, SI Electric or Demension, it's like the attach is too brittle for lack of words.....
They don't seem to fit in the mix with other "live" instruments.
 
Best way I can describe it.
 
rafone




 
and that, is what EQ/Dynamics is for... 
 
Soft synth instruments, in their raw form, are designed to sound bright and strong: otherwise we wouldn't say: "that sounds great, I'll buy it". But when it comes to blending them together, they can't all stick out: like having too many sharp, prominent flavours in a meal; they fight each other. 
 
 I've learnt that is amazing what a simple bit of EQ can do on tracks. It's why every board since the dawn of time has basic EQ. 
 
Try it yourself: Put some bright parts of different soft synths in a project, make sure they are overlapping and all the same volume. Now Imagine the loop as a picture, every part in it's place. Using EQ, try to 'shape' each part so it sits, as much as is possible, in it's own pocket of the frequency spectrum. Certain instruments will cross over each other sonically, but it's all about trying to get them playing nicely with each other and not stepping on each others toes. 
 
"Attack is too brittle" you say? Try using a compressor with a fast attack to slow that bad boy down, not to mention some soft-synths have an attack parameter. OR, try Eq'ing the highs slightly, to make it more 'mellow' 
 
I've heard a lot of people, including some in this forum, who just keep buying more and more soft synths, telling themselves "Ah, THIS is the drum synth I am looking for" or "This piano sounds the best, I must have it", Only to be repeating the same train of thought when the next 'Ultimate' soft-synth module comes out a month later. Unfortunately, there is no quick fix: mixing instruments takes work. Save your money and try working with what you have. I realised this a while ago and I have: 1. saved money, and 2. Learnt how to make sounds work together. I'll go out on a limb and say that Sonar comes with all the soft synths you need (to get a great sound), and more. It's just about learning how to make them work together. 
 
 Bottom line: Someone who knows what they are doing, with some experience, can take the most average sounds and make them sound great together.
 
Having the fastest running shoes in the world will not make you run faster than Usain Bolt. Put some steel-toecap boots on him though, and he'll still rip past you. 
2013/07/04 05:16:12
craigfowler
I've got tons of piano libraries, although I don't have any of the 'fancier' ones like Ivory II (though oh, how I would love their upright library).
 
If you have Kontakt, Sampletekk is the way to go. Time it right and you can pick up great libraries for $25 a pop. Seriously, if you don't like how they sound, you just don't like pianos!
 
I think Pianoteq took a huge leap forward in version 4, and you can get on that bandwagon for under $100. The Bluthner add-on sounds anything but sterile - it's, beautiful, really, though pretty mellow. And although I don't have it yet, the U4 upright add-on sounds fantastic - when I can get around to it I'll be adding it to my collection.
2013/07/04 07:39:04
ston
Lounge lizard (although modeling electric pianos rather than acoustic ones) sounds amazing and the modeling is really good.  There's a special on at present for the 'Session' version which is based on the EP-3 model, £15 (~$23 I guess) in the Cakewalk shop.
 
The full-fat EP-4 version at www.applied-acoustics.com is half price currently ($99 listed, so about £65).
 
You can try a demo of it, so what's to lose? :-)
 
http://www.applied-acoustics.com/loungelizard/trial/
 
2013/07/04 09:23:46
garrigus
Check out Pianoteq (http://www.pianoteq.com) or True Keys: Pianos (https://vilabsaudio.com/)
 
Scott

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