For the Sonar user in the US and UK it may be new, that there DAW is bashed.
In Germany it´s since a decade extreme,
even newbies in recording and mixing ,who are really inexperienced sure know one thing:
Sonar is buggy!
What else to respond that it´s not more then other daws?
 
I´m a happy Sonar user since 4 years now 
and I don´t care..
 

I'm not sure what I'm doing "wrong", but Sonar is running rock solid here. 

It's not about how rock solid Sonar is on your system or how great the program is for you. It's about songwriters, musicians, producers, etc. who are interested in Sonar but may unfortunately miss their opportunity to use the program which could eventually be their best daw JUST because of these Sonar-bashing threads in KVR and other forums. So, I think it's not a waste of time to reply to these threads and advise those interested in the program to try the demo and see if they like the product or not themselves.

Leadfoot
Remembering my beloved Tascam 4-track cassette portastudio I had in the mid eighties makes me appreciate the power we have nowadays. Remember the endless bouncing and sound degradation? Sometimes I think that some of the people doing the griping need to go back and re-acquaint themselves with the older technology for a while. Maybe they'll have a new found appreciation for what they're able to accomplish now.

Amen to that.  I have been involved with music since the 60's, feeling lucky to be able to record our high school band with an Ampex stereo recorder with 7" reels running at 7 1/2 ips.  Some people have never had the pleasure of recording from the "good old and bad" days, but we made it work. 
I never imagined the power we would have at our fingertips just 30 years ago.

Noisy Neighbour
I'm not sure what I'm doing "wrong", but Sonar is running rock solid here. 

That´s what I often think when reading some fred´s here.

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Leadfoot
Remembering my beloved Tascam 4-track cassette portastudio I had in the mid eighties makes me appreciate the power we have nowadays. Remember the endless bouncing and sound degradation? Sometimes I think that some of the people doing the griping need to go back and re-acquaint themselves with the older technology for a while. Maybe they'll have a new found appreciation for what they're able to accomplish now.

Amen to that.  I have been involved with music since the 60's, feeling lucky to be able to record our high school band with an Ampex stereo recorder with 7" reels running at 7 1/2 ips.  Some people have never had the pleasure of recording from the "good old and bad" days, but we made it work.  I never imagined the power we would have at our fingertips just 30 years ago.

My thoughts exactly. I think people who grew up using tape maybe have a different perspective.

I smile when I see people complaining about some terrible work around they have to do, such as having to insert an event before they can "delete hole" a few measures. I am just so grateful that I don't need to reach for a razor blade..

jb101

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Leadfoot
Remembering my beloved Tascam 4-track cassette portastudio I had in the mid eighties makes me appreciate the power we have nowadays. Remember the endless bouncing and sound degradation? Sometimes I think that some of the people doing the griping need to go back and re-acquaint themselves with the older technology for a while. Maybe they'll have a new found appreciation for what they're able to accomplish now.

Amen to that.  I have been involved with music since the 60's, feeling lucky to be able to record our high school band with an Ampex stereo recorder with 7" reels running at 7 1/2 ips.  Some people have never had the pleasure of recording from the "good old and bad" days, but we made it work.  I never imagined the power we would have at our fingertips just 30 years ago.

My thoughts exactly. I think people who grew up using tape maybe have a different perspective.

I smile when I see people complaining about some terrible work around they have to do, such as having to insert an event before they can "delete hole" a few measures. I am just so grateful that I don't need to reach for a razor blade..

While it's enlightening to put things in historical perspective, I think the complaining is a good thing. If people were always happy with the way things were then we'd still be living in caves. The general feeling that things could be better is what drives human progress. In the case of the dummy event workaround, what annoys people most is when a problem is so unnecessary. It could be fixed so easily. Standards of home music production have obviously risen tremendously over the last couple of decades and so what was once considered acceptable no longer is. The market has changed and there is so much more competition and with it, a pressure to get stuff out quicker. In this environment, anything that impedes your workflow is going to irritate you. 

It's not about how rock solid Sonar is on your system or how great the program is for you. It's about songwriters, musicians, producers, etc. who are interested in Sonar but may unfortunately miss their opportunity to use the program which could eventually be their best daw JUST because of these Sonar-bashing threads in KVR and other forums. So, I think it's not a waste of time to reply to these threads and advise those interested in the program to try the demo and see if they like the product or not themselves.

 
Exactly.  I think its important for perspective purchasers who may be visiting this forum and thinking about buying X2, to know that overall, it is a great program.  If you have concerns about how it will run on your system, try the demo.  I personally don't buy any software or plug ins these days until I demo it.
 
There seems to be two groups of bashers.  One group that are legitimately having problems with the software.  I feel for them.  There also seems to be another group that just doesn't like the new GUI and the new work flow.  I understand that feeling as well.  I don't like the new GUI and work flow for Windows 8.  Of course, I have not used it much either.  If I spend more time with it, I may look back and find that I will have come to like it better than the old.  
 
I like the new work flow.  It works well for me.  Unfortunately for those that don't, I don't think Sonar will take a 180 degree turn and go back to the old.  One thing that I have always admired about Cakewalk is that they continually seem to be looking at the future and working towards new technology.  They may have anticipated touch screens and the changes may have all been geared towards these new technologies.  

I have had as many issues as anyone and more than most, but I don't blame Sonar.
• There are a lot of factors: interface, PC, set-up and configuration, plug-ins (this is a big one), etc.
• The more features you put in software, the more difficult it is to test every conceivable path and scenario and ensure bug-free software.  $10MM enterprise software products have bugs.
• It stands to reason that Cakewalk seemed more responsive when it was much smaller and had a much smaller user base
• Some bugs are fatal (inexcusable), some are annoying (should be fixed), and some are harmless quirks (probably not worth the effort).
 
I am not saying complaints aren't valid—believe me, I have plenty—but I do want to be fair and realistic.

mike_mccue
The fact is, dozens, maybe hundreds of these people you two are pointing fingers at and accusing of being less competent than your own grandiose selves can run the very same projects on Reaper and Studio One all day long with out a hiccup.
 
It is that easy.
 
The finger pointing is not appreciated... and make no mistake, I just think it's in poor taste... my SONAR install works 99.99% rock solid, so I know you are not speaking about me. :-)
 
I am simply insulted that some of you guys think that insulting other people is a demonstration of your friendly and helpful nature.
 
Well done.
 
best regards,
mike
 
 
 
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Mike,
 
First off, I am familiar with your posts, and as far as I know, respect everything I've seen you say.
 
Second, if I come across grandiose, I apologize. I actually thought I was being helpful above. Sir, I am a hilljack, from a long line of them, red dirt hills of North Carolina, we do math well, but not politics. I'm currently domiciled well outside a major midwestern city, because I don't understand people, and can't stand to see them hurting. I really do not understand why people have so many troubles with computers and software.
 
I've been building systems since 1991, and have about 3500 of them under my belt. I do not believe that this is a case of statistical anomaly, that I've been lucky. I can't, the numbers won't let me. So...exactly what is going on here?
 
Well...there's a roommate's laptop about ten feet away...I've cleaned "free" junk off it several times now, and I know why it runs slow, halts, coredumps, all of it. I clean it up, have it running fine, give it back to her, and a couple months later, do it again. I let another roomie borrow a Tablet and a Galaxy S, got it back with a bunch of her BS on it, and took quite some time getting them to work properly again.
 
I don't do anything special to my machines. There is nothing self serving or grandiose about patching the box, installng the software you need and carefully selected,  avoiding temptation posed by too good to be true promises, and backing up critical data. In extremely rare cases, I hd to employ some skills not available to average computer users to resolve issues, one time a hiking forum was crashing every user's machine, and all my efforts came to nothing. Rcently Ihad a Focusrite interface that wouldn't play nice over USB, and swapped it for an M-Audio interface. That's it brother...except for the security issues mentioned earlier. I've been building digital audio workstations since 1991, on 8086 instruction set processors, and they function out of the box. NOT because of my great skills, because I'm not using any.
 
So....one of two possibilities...I'm not doing anything special, over thousands of computers, and they work, so...either these folks who are having problems are going against some piece of standard procedure, or else we are experiencing a long term statistical anomaly, chronic, consistent, bad luck,  that my experience says does not happen.
 
I've isolated a set of possibilities I've seen elsewhere, and presented them here, as intended service to the community. If my semantics need polishing to communicate this information, anyone who can talk without miffing people off is welcome to tune them up.
 
Ima throw one more possibility out there, for better or worse. I use pretty standard hardware. Audio interfaces that sell in the millions of units or more, starting with a Soundblaster Pro back in the day, up thru M-audio units today. I am going to guess that companies that sell software like Cakewalk test a lot more on hardware that sells millions of units than they test on rare, boutique, ultra high end, or ultra low end, or obscure hardware. I do not have enough instances to be certain of this premise, but the experience I do have supports this contention.
 
I know what it is to sit down to a machine that does not do what you want it too, day after day. I don't wish that on anyone. I have enough experience to possibly identify praxctices that may exacerbate these issues, and what may help. Here they are.
 
That's the best I've got.