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2013/08/15 19:01:24
bent4life
Bflat5
Anyone know of a video online or DVD that covers mixing and mastering with Sonar?


Groove 3 was already mentioned. Pretty much everything they produce is top quality - "Mixing with Sonar X1" is excellent. 
2013/08/15 19:23:55
Wouter Schijns
preview of Bent's vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LS4SZI0TOs
I think 'mixing with sonar' is not that helpful, but that's just an opinion.
bought all Sonar vids, vids by Anderton + Krantzberg very helpful, I think.
 
Graham has nice vids on mixing/mastering I think, unfortutaly in Pro Tools but help me learn understand still
http://www.youtube.com/user/recordingrevolution?feature=watch
2013/08/15 19:45:23
bent4life
Wouter Schijns
preview of Bent's vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LS4SZI0TOs
I think 'mixing with sonar' is not that helpful, but that's just an opinion.
bought all Sonar vids, vids by Anderton + Krantzberg very helpful, I think.
 
Graham has nice vids on mixing/mastering I think, unfortutaly in Pro Tools but help me learn understand still
http://www.youtube.com/user/recordingrevolution?feature=watch


+1 on Graham's vids (The Recording Revolution). The principles apply for Sonar. Krantzberg is very good, too.
2013/08/15 21:32:51
bandso
+1 on the groove 3 vids. I got some really good mastering information from this one as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0FpX200S1s
2013/08/16 00:36:18
MelodicJimmy
I just finished recording and mixing an album.  I'm not an expert mixer by any means, but there was one rule that I LIVED by: 
 
DON'T - BOOST - ANY - FREQUENCIES with an EQ!!!!! 
 
If something sounded too muddy or bassy, fine, cut it.  In fact, I did A LOT of cutting with the EQ, especially with the vocals (male singer, low tenor/ baritone range).  So, not overusing EQ was very important to me, personally.  Anytime you start "adding treble" or "adding mids," it sounds like crap.  Get the tone you want BEFORE you record!
 
Also, Perfect Space is awesome. 
2013/08/16 03:53:09
Danny Danzi
konradh
What would be helpful would be examples in which someone played a mix or track, talked about it, and then showed specifically what was used to correct various problems.  For maximum value, this would consist of various tracks and songs that had different characters.  Tutorials on a single song are interesting but limited in value.




Shameless plug alert, but I can't think of any way else to explain this, so forgive me. There is a method to my madness, so hang with me a sec.
 
I do exactly what you asked for in my video lessons. The difference is I use your song, your plugs. This way you see how YOUR song sounds with the compressor/effects you use while learning HOW things can be used. All tracks in your song can be used if you want, each track instrument at a time, or certain instruments. I show you before and after as well as why things were decided upon on my end. You find out where you may have went wrong, where you went right, what else can be done, subjective additives, tips and tricks, ways to improve your work-flow, techniques....it's nuts. Each lesson custom made for a person based on their needs or I can create a lesson for them based on conversation. Nothing stock, scripted or used for another person. *end shameless plug* (sincere apologies)
 
With a decent engineer driving the bus, your "what would be helpful" would not work unless he purposely recorded sounds that needed work. To me, there's no reason for that as again, it doesn't really help you if your sounds are recorded better. I mean granted, someone could create a "polish a turd" video where every sound is horrendous. I would bet my farm your sounds are not even close to horrendous. I'm sure some of the surgery involved with polishing a turd could probably help, but in my opinion you need your own examples of your stuff, not someone elses.
 
The reason something *I* would create wouldn't work in your situation (if we used my instrumentation).....my stuff sounds decent without doing a thing. (IMHO) That does you no good other than to make you really think about your initial sound being the best it can be before you record a thing. We need to find out what YOU are doing wrong with YOUR recording. How YOU are eqing things and are you possibly misusing eq, compression or doing something wrong? This is what turns fair engineers into good/great ones. You have to know where your problems are before you can fix them. Before you can fix your problem areas, you have to know what to listen for. Sometimes we need to be taught...literally.
 
I can show you 3 different ways to compress my own material. None of those compression settings will work on your stuff unless you have a similar recording style and similar sounds. None of the high passing or low passing/sculpting eq work on my stuff will benefit you on your stuff. You'll see examples of things which can help a bit...but again, it does nothing to help with what YOU are experiencing. This is why certain books, videos using material that is not recorded by you, plugs and programs you do not use, hardware you do not have....will never help teach you as much as you think it might. That's just my take on things though. YMMV.
 
-Danny 
2013/08/16 04:38:02
JClosed
Oh come on...
Mastering is not difficult at all
I got a great tip from another forum.
Just take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY4UFEZFRpg
 
While this is for Ableton Live, I is also completely usable in Sonar too (yes even with the Cakewalk plugins, although FabFilter is "promoted" here).
 
Now - that was not that hard.. wasn't it?
 
Although - I must admit it was not exactly what I had imagined mastering would be. I have a slight feeling something is not totally correct, but I can't imagine what..
Anyway - now everybody can master his/hers songs...
2013/08/16 14:54:42
doncolga
JClosed,
 
Thank you so much for that link.  It really is that easy.  Even better, I'll just make one preset and run all my songs through it, just to save some time.  
2013/08/16 14:57:58
doncolga
This is not mixing/mastering specifically, but I did pick up the SWA Complete SONAR X2 videos and I've learned a ton.  Money well spent.  DAWs do *SO* much I'm not even aware of.
2013/08/16 15:42:52
John
"Sonar in and of itself does not have anything specific/unique to the art of mixing and mastering."
 
If that were true how on this earth do people mix using Sonar? You do know that it comes with mixing and mastering plugins? Pro Channel is a configurable channel strip for mixing.  
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