Hi,
I decided that after listening to a track I've recorded, no vox yet, that the third chorus(I doubled it up) should really have
just been the eight bars rather than sixteen, how easy is it to split the tracks, take out the eight bars and then join it together
again, I've tried a couple of times and the timing is out on the drums,or the bass. Any ideas !!!!
 
 
Thanks
John

Make sure you split at exactly the right place - check that Snap settings are not preventing it.
In 8.5 it's simply "Cut>Delete hole", I think it's similar in X-series.
Are the drums and bass MIDI? If so, make sure the MIDI notes also end at the split point. If the tail of a MIDI-note crosses the split point even by one tick, it may happen SONAR excludes or includes the whole MIDI-clip against your intention.

You can't just cut out a section of a track in a multi track project without losing sync and timing of the other tracks.
 
 

But if JWH is cutting just half of the chorus out, I assume he's splitting/cutting all the tracks.

True, if he is. But he is saying it is losing sync. We need more information.

Question: Do the tracks follow the project tempo?   If so, you should be able to split at bar lines.  But if it doesn't.... you'll probably have to manually determine the best place to split based on the performance.   You could also try modifying the tempo (or create a tempo map) in order for the tracks to better line up with the bar lines.    As John said, more information is needed to figure out exactly what it is you're starting out with...
 
 

The best way to describe it, I have a song with about twenty tracks, all audio, all the same tempo, they are in folders, drums (10)
bass (2) keys (8) if I try and split, for example the drums, at the point where the chorus doubles, moving the smart tool cursor to the right, to delete the rest of the chorus, then pick up the drums from the start of the next verse and slide the audio back to the left to try and join it up with the other audio from where I split it, will this work ?
 
John

Not enough info.
 
Are there any meter/key changes?
 
I understand there are no tempo changes, but timing is not just affected by tempo, especially in an audio only project (actually, if you go messing around with just sliding Midi around in projects containing any of the above, you can get into a right state!)
 
If there aren't then provided you follow the steps above, it should all remain in sync.

jwh
The best way to describe it, I have a song with about twenty tracks, all audio, all the same tempo, they are in folders, drums (10)
bass (2) keys (8) if I try and split, for example the drums, at the point where the chorus doubles, moving the smart tool cursor to the right, to delete the rest of the chorus, then pick up the drums from the start of the next verse and slide the audio back to the left to try and join it up with the other audio from where I split it, will this work ?
 
John

Make sure all your tracks are visible. Ctrl + A to select them all.
 
Now do a bounce to clip on everything so that each track is one long contiguous clip
 
Position the Now Time cursor EXACTLY at the point you want to cut FROM.
 
Hit 'S'
 
Now position the Now Time EXACTLY where you want to cut TO. Hit 'S'
 
Now can delete all the little snippets of the chorus that you don't want. (before you do, hit ctrl + shift + A to select none. You don't want to just hit the delete key and half of your song disappears!)
 
LOCK all of the tracks to the left of the split point, for both Position & Data
Then slide all of the other tracks back to your first block.
 
It helps if your splits are performed exactly at a time division that you can snap to, but it should work
 
 

Should be able to do everything you mentioned Bristol minus the manual dragging of tracks. jwh could go to the edit menu and delete hole after the splits.
 
Here's nice article written by Mr Anderton that speaks in general to what jwh would like to do.