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  • Did you switch to SONAR? Tell us your story. (p.27)
2008/05/14 15:53:59
baines
Hi Guys and Gals -

New to, well, everything. I'm a PC user who had been using ProTools (is that like a curse word around here? LOL). I've had some PC issues and compatibility issues with chipsets, mobo's, turning this windows function off, yada yada. It takes longer to prep the PC for PT than it does to load the program.

But I digress.

I actually can't say anything horrible about Digi and PT, they are quite supportive and their forums have some really talented and helpful folks. The product itself it a bit....clugey for me. I wanted something with a simpler way of doing things, something that didn't seem so damn technical when recording, which is turn sucks the creativity out of a session. For me anyhow.

That being said, I have a new fancy dancy PC that I built from Alienware. I love it, the thing screams, lots of stats (2 quad @2.2ghz, 3gigs RAM, 500g hd - all of which runs through a 32" Samsung, etc.) but at the end of the day, it just won't work with PT. So I've sold my Digi002r and PTLE and I just purchased CAKEWALK PRO SUITE SOFTWARE STUDIO BUNDLE and the FOCUSRITE SAFFIRE PRO 10 I/O from musiciansfriend. I don't require the 26 at this point.

Based on what I've been reading this seems like a good combo. I can't wait for Fedup or UPS to show up with my new goodies and start cranking out some tunes!

Oh and course, meeting lots of new forum buddies ;-)
2008/05/14 16:21:12
mkxxx
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I got a friend's discarded version of 'Cakewalk Pro Audio 8' which I found very intuitive to use. I got into home-recording (Rock; Track-by-track; Little time as father of 4;-)) and gradually developed the wish for more:

- I programme drums in MIDI (note by note in the staff view!) and wanted a better sound (I once started almost 20 years ago on a Roland R8 - our drummer of the time fatigued easily and we had no mices anyway - old school?)
- I couldn't bounce tracks, so I had to record each single MIDI track from the soundcard's output to its input, one at a time (very tedious ...)
- I then processed the audio tracks I'd made in Cool Edit, but wanted more and more powerful/better sounding effects and to use only one programme
- I want to stay mixerless, so I wanted a more flexible and more powerful mixing GUI
- I was using a cheap consumer sound card and wanted something more appropriate

Then I got an education version of Cubase 4 VST. I found it exceptionally hard to understand and use. I gave up, decided a newer version of SONAR must be worth a try and bought Power Studio 660, because I wanted a better interface, too. I'm now happy, but would like to have:

- no need to insert soft-synths each time I open a new MIDI-track
- onboard humanize-features for the drums I programme
- a better view of all my tracks on the mixer GUI
- a better guitar sound (but I think it's my instrument not sounding good, not my DAW)
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2008/05/20 01:47:54
ZenOfDeceit
Hello everyone. Just wanted to introduce myself and start looking around. I am jumping ship from Cubase 4. I purchased it specifically for its Instrument Definitions…I spent allot of money for nothing, its support was as sparse as the available definitions. I have a Roland JP-8080 and Waldorf Micro Q. I was encouraged to see Sonar 7 Supports these right off the bat…..Cubase …nope. I was also giddy when I saw the new step sequencer added in…this actually was the main feature that sold me. Up until now I used Fruity Loops Studio to program beats and baselines and Cubase for my audio…it was a Rewire mixing nightmare. I just purchased Sonar 7 Producer…and I am eagerly looking forward to exploring this software package. To be honest I have let technical difficulties completely stall me and rob me of any creative desire. I am hoping after getting acquainted with Sonar it will be reawakened in me…lol.

Looking forward to getting to know all of you!!!!

Von
2008/06/04 14:04:50
JSGlen
I sold my old analog and ADAT studio in 2001, and pretty much got out of the business. Recently, I purchased a Boss Br 1600 CD and recorded a few songs with it, got the "Bug" again to write music again, so I've ordered a custom computer from Sonica Audio Labs w/ Sonar 7PE installed. I haven't used it yet, but I am looking forward to jumping into this world of DAW recording. I look forward to interacting with all of you in this Forum.
2008/06/11 17:48:40
rolandscake
Yes I did I was a Cubase Logic User from the age of 17 to about 26 always looking for the perfect DAW trying many out even up until now but Im eventually switching back to Logic Pro 8 Maybe Hers why

Workflow Workflow Workflow Ive spent so many years on Sonar its an excellent Idea like Logic was but ideas dont get work done I also use an Axiom Keyboard it dont work in Sonar I used to rewire Live 6 it dont work in Sonar Loops dont play in sync in Sonar
ALL I WANT IS TO MAKE MUSIC MAN

I also use Protools With my MAudio sound card but that program just dont cut it they are riding on their Old status with that Dinosaur Were Pro tools you must buy us or die attitude.
Too basic no cool features not really inovative at least Cakewalk tries but it version 8 its time to get it right Cakewalk I just use Protools to give Protoolers projects in their own formats
But Im gonna hold on for a couple more months then Im switching and never looking back

Just an observation The average age of the Sonar user is like 15 years older compared to some other DAWS most of the guys even on this forum are in their 40s + not ageism Im in my mid 30s Sonar needs to get with the program

Heres the program
Workflow Workflow Workflow
Tutorials Like Live Only Much better Step by Step
Anyone under 35 hates manuals
Make it User Friendly

Forget about most of the current users and what they think
They only want things to stay the same when the change comes theyll
complain then praise you later like that show Renovate My Llife
Renovate my DAW its clunky stale and old fashioned the foundation is there
Stop letting other DAWS steal your Glory Make Sonar 8 great
No actually make it so great you have to change the name and truly become
The top DAWG
Sonar DAWG - Digital Audio Workstation Gods
2008/06/12 09:27:38
ben00net
Made the move from ProTools 7.4LE - One of the big reasons was lack of 64bit support and hence restriction on amount of Ram i could use. We use BFD/2 in our studio in nearly all sessions and ProTools was just not cutting it.

The other was being locked into a Digi interface (converters are crap) - i've got a nice new Motu 828Mk3 which works bauetifully with Sonar7. The difference in sound quality is noticable straight away moving from 002 with PT7.4LE

Whilst there are a couple of features in ProTools (like assigning multiple outs to audio tracks in one easy step) that seem to be missing from Sonar - correct if i'm wrong here!

I've read alot about workflow issues some people seem to be having, but in my opinion, workflow comes from taking the time to set up templates for the way you work - your workflow. One of the first things I did when firing up Sonar was take the time to create templates with BFD etc, all the outputs assigned, master bus with some standard FX etc etc.

One feature i'd love to see - Instrument tracks like in Pro Tools. You can put a soft synth on an instrument track, put the midi notes onto the instrument track and when your bouncing you don't have to bounce it to audio first. It takes what is playing from the instrument track. From what I've seen in my short time with Sonar you have to freeze the synth to audio or bounce it down to an audio track when you bounce the entire track.

Otherwise it's all good.

Oh - and please work with Propellarhead to get ReWire working in 64bit mode - I really, really want to use Reason 4 with my 64bit Sonar!!

2008/06/20 10:35:31
dokuk
Longtime lurker, first time poster

I switched to Cakewalk sometime in 1991, I think, maybe a little earlier. I am not really sure of the exact date. Anyway, I have a copy of Electronic Musician from August 1991 that I seem to remember using to make my product choice (the article also had a selection of sequencers for the Macintosh, Amiga, and Atari platforms). Or maybe I was using the article to check the features of my sequencer against the competitors. I recently found some copies of .wrk files that indicate the were last modified in January 1992, but I am not not sure how accurate that is. Those files have been dragged around from computer to computer and saved and resaved. Maybe there was an earlier .ext that I don't remember. I remember that my first Cakewalk had 120 ppqn and ran just fine on my 486 50 machine.

I wasn't really on any sequencer software when I switched. I had been out travelling in bands playing bass during the late seventies and early eighties (the "disco wars" period, when men fought againt the tyranny of the steady thump thump thump thump of the Altec A7 sound machines and their evil minions, the DJs), and I finally gave in and left the road to return to college. My father was a community college computer teacher and he had Orch 90 on his TRS-80, but that had to have been in the mid-to-later eighties (he died in November 1987) and I just messed around with that when I was at my parent's home. I do still have one file that I painstakingly transferred over to Cakewalk that was originally on the Orch-90. The "solo" on that piece is an interesting construct, very angular and disjointed; I think the input method probably influenced the outcome on that solo.

Anyway, in the period just before I purchased my first Cakewalk I was just using Cool Shoes Drummer to jam with. It was great to have a reliable, albeit if a bit stiff, rhythm partner. Getting Cakewalk really allowed me to add chords and lead lines. I just used it as a "jam machine" for a while then started writing midi pieces.

From there, my story goes like this: played in various bands, 1993 got married (me age 37 wife age 22-she asked me to marry her), 1994 stopped playing b/c wife wanted me at home (swore this would never happen), 1995 still jamming and writing midi pieces, 1997 less jamming, still writing midi, 1998 got Pro Audio, not really able to use the audio b/c my computer was not up to date, got a better computer in 1999 but my wife and I started playing online RPGs, still writing midi, but more into gaming, wife became one of the top players on her server (in DAOC),

10/16/05 wife told me she was leaving me for another "l33t" gamer, and on 10/30/05 I upgraded to Sonar 5 Producer and decided to learn to play guitar and devote the rest of my days to writing and creating music. 06/01/06 wife moved out (she was nice enough to take the SUV and leave me the house) and I started playing music as a 'fulltime" avocation. I work my 9 to 5 and then come home to play. I am back playing in a band also, but have been converting all of my old midi files to Cakewalk projects and switching the sounds to use Dim Pro, Rapture, et. al. and MiroSlav Philharmonik. I started the conversion process in late 2007; the files are arranged in alphabetic folders: last night I finished the T song folder. I tend to get involved with writing new sections and expanding the pieces so it is slow work. And the there is always the temptation to jam.

The last time I counted there were over 800 files. These range from 8 bar drum patterns (not many of those) to eight minute pieces. I try to average writing or significantly rearranging one (song, work, piece, jam) per day. 99% of these things have only been heard by me, God, and the cat (who was part of the reason I got to keep the house).

I am seeing the light at the end of the rearranging tunnel and hope to someday post some songs somewhere on the internet. I have blues, funk, rock, latin, etc. pieces and a lot of attenpts at writing orchestral pieces. Most of it is still just midi, but I have been learning to record audio. As I indicated above, I have been lurking on these boards for a long time, and I have learned a tremendous amount from so many of you. This to me is a very special community.
2008/06/21 17:07:16
runf
I too was an Atari user. Dr T software (great stuff).
Went with Logic Audio for the PC when it became clear that the Atari was going away as a music platform. That experience just about drove me out of the studio business.
They had ZERO concern for their PC users to the extent that they would not even recommend a set of computer components that was stable with their system!
You had to listen to users and then cross your fingers. The dongle was a joke. I had 2 that gave me problems.
Anyway, when I finally put my toe back in the water again I went with a company that was windows specific (Cakewalk).
Good call so far.
2008/06/25 05:34:59
frump
I'll level with you, I bought sonar because I pirated it to try it out and I liked it a lot more than cubase. Companies that focus on copy-protection are being anti-consumer given that people like me who would prefer to try a very expensive program before buying cannot do so and hence will not buy added to the fact that their mentality is generally selfish and self-righteous. I'll be honest with you companies have never lost sales through the lack of copy protection, it earns respect from people and they buy it out of principle. Invasive or extensive copy protection deters people and it is an inevitability that it will be cracked.

Anyway that's my 2 cents, very controversial I'm sure many will disagree but the main thing is I bought sonar and I love it, I love the support (which is necesarry for me with audio programs, murphy's law) and I don't regret buying it.
2008/06/30 14:03:36
chopper
Where do I start?
I have been using Cubase, Audition and other software off and on for the last 6 years. I ended up with Sonar 7 Production suite because I got real tired of uncompatabile software and hardware. Though there are still some issues that I would like to see addressed, SONAR has been the most consistient and thorough program for interfacing with several different control surfaces that I have.

The most recent is a Tascam DM-4800 and the ability to use the remote functions and control the software from the console is great. I know others do that too, but I don't find myself looking for things. It is very complete and transparent to the software and hardware and took only a minimal amount of configuration to make it work properly

If only the hardware manufacturer was as thorough!!

Chopper
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