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2013/07/07 00:17:38
sharke
I have cloned an instrument track. What I want is for them to be completely independent of each other. But what I find is that the mix controls (mute/solo/volume etc) on each track are linked. If I solo one, the other one solos. If I increase the volume on one, the volume is increased on the other. For the life of me I cannot understand why this would be the default behavior, and I can't find a way to stop it. 
 
And just to set the record straight, I am not talking about linked clips! I did a bit of forum searching and every time someone posts this same problem, the answer seems to be "you must have checked the box to link the clips when you cloned it. Just right click on the clips in question and select unlink." This is NOT what I'm talking about 
2013/07/07 00:46:08
sharke
The more I look around, the more I'm convinced this is a bug. The X2 documentation on cloning tracks doesn't mention anything about linking the mix controls. 
2013/07/07 01:02:51
sharke
And just to add: I just realized that it's not just the basic mix controls that are linked, it's EVERYTHING. So when you make changes to the ProChannel and all of your effects on the cloned track, the original is changed as well. The upshot of this is being that the carefully crafted bass sound that took me hours to get right today is now completely gone because I went off in a completely different direction with the cloned track not realizing that it was affecting the original. 
 
Stupid stupid Sonar. Good God my relationship with this program is on extremely thin ice at the minute.
2013/07/07 04:31:05
jb101
I have only cloned audio tracks, and this certainly doesn't happen with them. Is it just simple instrument tracks?

I'm not at my DAW, but will have a look later. Out of interest, can you change sounds on the two synths independently? Is I t only the mix controls?
2013/07/07 04:31:01
jb101
I have only cloned audio tracks, and this certainly doesn't happen with them. Is it just simple instrument tracks?

I'm not at my DAW, but will have a look later. Out of interest, can you change sounds on the two synths independently? Is I t only the mix controls?
2013/07/07 10:35:27
mondaydave
Interesting one this because I have been suffering the same problem but I just put it down to my own stupidity and assumed I just wasn't doing something correctly.
 
But on reading JB101's post I have tried this today and cloning works fine on audio tracks without linking all the controls such as pan,volume etc. 
 
However when I clone an instrument track all of these controls are linked making it a royal pain in the arse and pointless in cloning the track as I cant treat it independently of the original.
Is this how it should be or am I missing something?
2013/07/07 10:52:09
Beepster
Hmm... I can't remember for sure but when you clone tracks there might be an option in the Clone Tracks dialog to link them (that may just be for clips though). Are you getting that dialog? If not I'm not sure where to enable it... maybe the Track View menus (under Tracks or options?). You may be able to force the dialog open by selecting and cloning multiple tracks at once because I think Sonar needs to ask you about the track count. Not at my DAW but if you don't figure it out I'll check it out.
 
Oh and I've never had this happen except when I somehow tried to link my clones (which sometimes I want) but for some reason only some of the parameters stay linked. It was annoying.
2013/07/07 11:25:37
jb101
There are options when you clone tracks, but I can't remember them all, and I'm not at my DAW.

When you choose "clone track" a dialogue box gives you several options, but off the top of my head I can't think of one that would only effect S.I.T. I will look later if I have a chance.
2013/07/07 11:31:52
sharke
Yeah there is a dialog that comes up, but it says nothing about linking parameters and controls, only cloning or "copying" them. You can link clips between the two, but if you think about it there would be no point in having two cloned tracks if everything else was mirrored between the two. And yes, this is only the case on instrument tracks - audio tracks are not affected.

EVERYTHING is linked between the two. If you change a patch on one track, it changes on the other. If you replace the synth on one track, it's replaced on the other. If you delete a plug on one track, it's deleted on the other etc. So if you clone an instrument track like I did hoping to get a basic starting point to experiment with a different mix direction, you're going to screw the original track and so there was absolutely no point making the clone in the first place.

This is a huge bug and one that falls under the category of "how in the hell did Cakewalk miss that?" Anyways I submitted a bug report.
2013/07/07 11:32:16
jb101
Just had a quick look in manual. When cloning a S.I.T. a new MIDI track is created, and assigned to the same soft synth. So there you go.
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