2013/08/06 23:36:13
sethmopod
This is a very tough question to answer.  It seems like you're at the start of your journey and you have a long way to go yet.  I wish you the best - it's exciting and frustrating all at once.
 
I think my best buy along the way has to be an AKG C414 B-ULS.  If you watch e-bay, you can get one in the $500 range.  It's leaps away from any budget condenser I've ever come across and will complement your 58.  It's very much a swiss army kind of mic.  There are some things it's absolutely fantastic on, and there's virtually nothing that it's bad on.  I've added a lot of things to my mic & preamp closet before and since getting a pair of those, but nothing else I have is so flexible and consistently great sounding.

Seth
2013/08/06 23:38:33
sethmopod
On rereading your earlier post - If you don't have an SM57 yet, get one of those first.  It's a basic tool that everyone should have.  If you can help it keep the 58 too.
2013/08/07 02:53:28
AT
somehow my earlier post got lost.  Basically, it is mic then pre.  A solid pre will help any mic, but if the mic ain't working for you to start with it won't help.  I'd look at a new mic first.  Guitar cab is a 57 for rock hard stuff or a ribbon for a mellower sound (can still sound nasty, but more of a vintage thing).  I've been using the mxl 141 or whatever lately here at home.  Sub $100 and it sounds really nice tone wise, but I imagine metal would be captured better by a 57.  And vocals are always a personal thing.  Each mic is a little different and each voice more so and ear, too.  I can't really offer a suggestion other than an large diameter condenser is usual on voice except for the smb7, which gets used a lot.  there are too many mics and the choice is too personal.  IF you could spring for $1000 and a bock fet you would have a great all purpose mic.
 
pres help a lot, expecially w/ the smb7 which needs a lot of gain.  the warm audio or new tone beast are great preamps, price or not.  The isa one or gap are both good transformer preamps which will give plenty of gain.  The warm isa and gap are all about $400 while the tone beast has different transformers as well as op-amps available inline and is very flexible as well as solid at $600.  Prices go up from there and you get a little more umph, but any of those should work and you'll keep even if you can afford a vintage neve.  Transformers are the key, imho,  adding a certain roundness to digital recording if you grew up listening to older, analog recordings.  And a good transformer (just one) costs like $75, and most of the high-end preamps have at least 2 (in and out).
 
But mic first - a good preamp will enhance that sound and give you more mic'ing possibilities and overs, etc. better.
 
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2013/08/07 16:38:38
Vokalzz
Thank you guys a lot. Your answers have helped me a lot. Between this site and individual research, I think Ive gained tuns of knowledge within the past couple of days. I think at this point I will get a MXL V67. Its a cheaper condenser mic, but with high recommendations as far as quality for price. I feel as I can get to know condenser mics a little better before I invest tuns of money on one. However, I really like the KSM32. Looks beautiful and heard price/quality you cant beat.
2013/08/07 21:51:02
Bule
Vokalzz
Thank you guys a lot. Your answers have helped me a lot. Between this site and individual research, I think Ive gained tuns of knowledge within the past couple of days. I think at this point I will get a MXL V67. Its a cheaper condenser mic, but with high recommendations as far as quality for price. I feel as I can get to know condenser mics a little better before I invest tuns of money on one. However, I really like the KSM32. Looks beautiful and heard price/quality you cant beat.



AT
  Transformers are the key, imho,  adding a certain roundness to digital recording if you grew up listening to older, analog recordings.  And a good transformer (just one) costs like $75, and most of the high-end preamps have at least 2 (in and out).
 
 




It's more rare to see output trannies but yes that and tubes are the biggie in high end Mic Pres and the Jensen line is at the top of the list for current production input transformers which are the heart of the mix. The output trannies are more for coupling and noise reduction which can be a problem when using tube based Mic Preamps. Most of the really good designs use Cascode Duo-Triode setups like on the Jensen website for a big punchy power linear sound. The Mic has everything to do with it and is just so subjective but if you read enough reviews it will narrow the choice down for you a bit.
 
Vokalzz if you get the condenser mic do be aware that you will need 48vdc of phantom power to operate it with and many mics don't come with a supply but almost all mic preamps and interfaces do. Just fyi.
2013/08/07 22:34:09
Vokalzz
Update:
 
I did get the MXL V67 for vocals and....Here it comes.... The Seinnheiser E609 instead of the sm57 for cab recording. . I know people might call me crazy but I really like the fullness of the E609. Though the 57 might be industry standard, I think it has a little to much high end for what im doing. Great for other applications, but for a rich deep clear heavy hard rock/metal, the E609 was the winner. When I heard the 57 on distorted electric guitar, it seemed very fuzzy in the high end, As the E609 did not have all that fuzz. The E609 was warmer, but maybe not as rich in the higher mids. Nothing a little EQ cant take care of. Bule, I appreciate your feedback, I do know what phantom power is mainly used for and have a phantom power button on my audio interface to power it up. I will experiment with these two mics and go from there. You guys Fu(k!n& rock! Please, if anyone uses other combinations and would like to share their thoughts please fill us in on what works for you. This is an extremely interesting topic, (at least for me). Thanks all..
2013/08/08 23:36:14
gswitz
How cool! I have an old MXL V63M and MXL V69 Mogami Edition which I have loved and loved and loved. I hope you love your tube mic.
 
I don't want to scare you or anything, but I had a hard time using the V69 direct into my M-Audio Fasttrack Ultra. It would make tube noise that was obvious and apparent. I changed tubes all the time but I could pretty much always get so much noise it was a problem, so I stopped using the Mic. I will say that eventually the pre-amps completely burned out on the front inputs on the Fasttrack to the point that they aren't usable. I haven't gone back to try to recreate the problem with the fasttrack. I've had the MXL V69 in heavy use since the fall of 2012 with no probs.
 
So, if you get the mic and crank your input gain and hear crackle, don't despair... come to the forum and troubleshoot.
 
This is the type of thread I found and had agreement with when I had the mismatch between the mic and my gear. I wonder now if the problem was with my Phantom Power being on... No idea...
http://homerecording.com/bbs/equipment-forums/microphones/marshall-v69-problems-anyone-else-148884/
 
**Phantom power** When you use the power supply that comes with the MXL V67, you don't want to use Phantom Power. It is not necessary.
 
 
2013/08/08 23:44:06
Living Room Rocker
No disrespect, but I think this question/thread belongs in the Gear (Hardware) forum http://forum.cakewalk.com/Hardware-f8.aspx
 
Kind regards,
 
Living Room Rocker
2013/08/08 23:49:58
gswitz
Living Room Rocker, doesn't it take an admin to move a thread once created? I don't think the OP can change it, even if he wanted to.
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