benjaminfrog
Having 435 Hz represent A is not the same thing as tuning down a half step. A half step below A is Ab and the Ab below A 440 is 415.30. Sorry, Chuck; I really appreciate your presence on the forum, but jb101 is right on this.

Thanks, Benjaminfrog. I realise now that Charlie just won't listen to anything I say, so I hope he might listen to someone else, at least enough to research.

I, too, appreciate his presence here - his videos have been a great help to many.

@ spacey - I have played around with the micro turnings in Zeta. This idea of alternate timings and temperaments has always interested me. I first played around with them at music college, and then later when I got a Roland XP-60, which allowed you to micro tune each note.

Ptolemaic, Pythagorean, mean tone and just intonation can sound very odd to modern ears. I'm eternally grateful for the well tempered clavier and equal temperament.

benjaminfrog
Having 435 Hz represent A is not the same thing as tuning down a half step. A half step below A is Ab and the Ab below A 440 is 415.30. Sorry, Chuck; I really appreciate your presence on the forum, but jb101 is right on this.

talking about reference pitch here Benjamin.
435 reference pitch is a half step down.
 
I think what your "interpreting" me as being "wrong" is
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2860236
where I said my A is tuned to 435.
 
what I meant was....no what I said was my reference pitch is a half step lower.
but everyone wants to get there microscopes out here and start picking threw trash looking for needles.
 
how did it get to that point ben ?
 
id imagine if you were really looking at this whole thread you'd recognize how I was minding my own business leaving a positive post when this guys starting calling me "preposterous." and " Utter bunkum"
 
ive told this guy on like 5 occasion's to not interact with me on this forum but he cant control himself and leave me alone.
 
he does appreciate your acceptance though.. 
 
"thank you Davey....thank you benjamin"
 
really ? lol
 
he twisted a post around about me saying tuning down a half step helps singers with their range into string frequency's..lol
 
but I don't blame you, I mean reading a whole thread before making a post sometimes is a lot.
 
so you pick through some of them. read the ones you feel like.

Chuckebaby, knowledge comes in all types of ways and if you are good with what you do, more power to you, but you are talking about humiliating the other cat and all that.... you sound like a novice cook trying to argue with a master BBQ chef that Boston Pork Butt is really actually meat from the hiney and not the shoulder because it clearly says "butt." The chef keeps trying to tell you it is from the shoulder but, oh well.
 
From the guitar rig manual, notice there is a detuning reference pitch selection as well as a detune by one semitone selection, because they are not the same. I have played guitar for 20plus year, a decade plus professionally gigging, have had loads of tuners, have had classes on the physics of sound where I had to calculate the pitch of a sound you would hear with an object coming toward you due to doppler shift... This is sound physics basic 101. Not something you should be trying to call someone out on. Take the new knowledge and bring it to what you already can do. Try an expirement with a good tuner. Set the tuner to A, if it has a hertz read out see what it says when you play A 435, it will say you are playing A slightly flat. Now put the tuner on for Ab (half step down,) it will show that 435 hertz as way way way way sharp to a reference pitch of Ab. This is beginner knowledge to any guitarist who has played a lot.. I mean a lot. That doesn't mean they are better than you, just more experienced, there is a difference. The whole reason there is an option to tune to A = 435 or 432 is so because it fits in in a crack that won't get you there if you simple want to tune to A = Ab. Otherwise why not just choose to tune to Ab?
 
Guitar Rig Manual
▪ REFERENCE PITCH sets the tuning reference, from A=425Hz to A=455Hz. The exact
pitch is shown while you drag the knob.
▪ CENTS shows the deviation from ideal tuning in cents.
▪ TUNE transposes the tuning range. If you e.g. want to tune all strings a semitone lower,
set drop tune to -1.

jb101-
"@ spacey - I have played around with the micro turnings in Zeta. This idea of alternate timings and temperaments has always interested me. I first played around with them at music college, and then later when I got a Roland XP-60, which allowed you to micro tune each note.

Ptolemaic, Pythagorean, mean tone and just intonation can sound very odd to modern ears. I'm eternally grateful for the well tempered clavier and equal temperament."
 
 
I haven't.
I have played many alternate tunings on guitars and used capo's.
I've also lowered tuning and understand the benefils. "Timbre" and feel for a guitarist that I'm not sure
one would/could experience with a softsynth as with a strung instrument-but even so the question of if and how to tune one or if "one" can be re-tuned are  valid questions.
With my limited knowledge of synths and softsynths I do know that not all of them can be changed.
Results from doing so?....how I perceive the results is what matters to me.
 
 
So- has the OP been answered?
What softsynth is he trying to retune and can it be done?
If he has been answered I missed it.

Hi, Charlie. I agree that things may be getting lost in translation, but I have read the entirety of the thread and, to me, the crux of it seems to be the use of the term "half step". Regardless of how diplomatic folks are being or not being, 440 to 435 is, unfortunately, not a half step.

" 440 to 435 is, unfortunately, not a half step." 416 I think is a half step down

Chregg, I love your avatar. That's hysterical.

Aye need a 100 khz sampling rate to get by with it lol

Chregg
" 440 to 435 is, unfortunately, not a half step." 416 I think is a half step down

so if you were to set your reference pitch to 435 in guitar rig, tune all your strings to the center of the scope.
now play an E note.
now compare this same e note to concert pitch piano or typical soft synth, which are tuned to 440 I believe if im not mistaken.
 
where does that e note compare match on that soft synth  ???
 
e flat
 
that's a half step down.
 
so your guitar is now tuned down a half step.
 
so if im wrong, I will admit it right now and say im a fool. I have no problems with that.
 
but for some odd reason, by tuning my guitar to a REFERENCE pitch of 435.
that piano will have to play every key a half step lower to match my guitar.
 
surely guitar rigs tuner and every tuner Ive ever owned not calibrated properly?

I just tried it (although I didn't need to) with guitar rig 5, and sure enough the guitar plays the note "E", but ever so slightly flat, and way sharp from an "E flat" played on a soft synth.