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2013/08/06 14:12:18
williamsblackman
I am a FOH ENGINEER  for my church and I am recording vocals only live  and manl I can hear all of the noises and use rx2 to clean it up any suggestion on cutting down on the noise
 
  hp 8gbram, 1tb hd, windows
2013/08/06 15:20:40
Beepster
How do you mean? What kind of noise (audience, board noise, fan noise, etc)? What kind of mic are you using (condenser, dynamic, podium mic, etc)? Is the mic hooked right up to your interface/sound board or are you recording the room?
 
By RX do you mean Izotope RX or R-Mix in Sonar? What kind of interface are you using?
 
Sorry for all the questions. Just trying to get an idea of what's going on.
2013/08/06 15:37:55
The Maillard Reaction
With any voice work you have 4 circumstances.
 
1) Where the sound accompanies a picture and the extraneous sounds have a context that helps the noise from seeming disconcerting. For example; a story about nature with birds singing in the back ground.
 
2) Where the sound accompanies a picture and the extraneous sounds do not seem to be in context to the scene and  the noise seems disconcerting.
 
3) Where the sound exists only as sound and the extraneous sounds have a context that helps the noise from seeming disconcerting. For example; a story about jackhammers with a jackhammer sound in the back ground.
 
4) Where the sound exists only as sound and the extraneous sounds have no context so they seem disconcerting.
 
Most professional speakers will speak loudly enough that their voice will help the circumstance of masking disconceting sounds.
 
If that is the case then it comes down to effective mic placement. 
 
You can try to edit the noise out after the fact. It will be very tedious and the results will likely fall short of the hope or expectation.
 
best regards,
mike
 
 
 
 
 
 
2013/08/06 16:30:35
BretB
I run sound at church also.  We use a wireless over-the-ear type mic.  My biggest suggestion is to turn off any sources not being used.  Not to easy to fix after the fact.
2013/08/06 17:12:21
bitman
Or just source the speaker's mixer channel as we do using an insert or direct out if ya have one on the board.
 
We also use an earset. It's as if nobody is there. - crickets......
Except for an occasional burst of laughter. Pastor Bruce is a funny man!
2013/08/06 17:22:10
williamsblackman
 thanks beep coming out of the directout  on allen heath gl2800 to 2626 firestudio to computer using a lapel mic , and get mic noise ie... movement, bump, etc, just wondering  should a gate be used.
 
Bret do u use a gate  and  thanks for the suggestion I actually do turn off all except room mic. and do u upload the sermons to a website.
 
kind of deep mike :) thanks brother
2013/08/06 17:26:29
williamsblackman
thanks brother bitman I tried using the countryman e6 but he sweats so when pastor wipes his face he was hitting the mic and he decided he wanted to use the lapel mic again(I am working on getting him back to the e6 lol)
2013/08/06 17:30:38
williamsblackman
brother beep isotope rx2 is what I am cleaning audio with
2013/08/06 17:33:48
The Maillard Reaction
Hi William,
 I imagine that the reason the other posters have recommended a headset mic is that a lapel mic placed on someone who moves actively is going to pick up all sorts of clothing noises.
 
You can try a gate. I suspect you'll dislike the results... I know I would.
 
If you have to stick with the lapel option then you'll need to experiment with the placement. It can be really frustrating if the subject's wardrobe is noisy. There are some fabrics that are more "scratchy" sounding than others.
 
I often times hide a lapel (I call them lavalier mics) in a neck tie knot. This seems to be a good option as there is usually minimal clothing movement and it also maintains good proximity when someone turns their head. If the subject has a double chin and a starched collar it may not work out well. Add a tiny bit of razor stubble and it may not work at all.
 
Every time I place a lapel mic I consider many aspects of the circumstance and often time second guess myself and make further adjustments.
 
It's all pretty much common sense stuff.
 
The real point I am trying to make is that it is most effective to solve the problem with the mic and not have to look for solutions in post processing. That's the easiest way and it also provides the best final result.
 
all the best,
mike
 
2013/08/06 17:44:12
Beepster
hmm... I'm assuming he's moving around a lot so using a second stationary mic is out of the question. If it's bumps and stuff and they can't be avoided you could use automation to lower the volume at those points or simply zoom in, chop them out and use fades or even pull the clip sections together and crossfade them. Might sound a little odd but if it's at a part where he is actually speaking it's better than a big ole *THWONK* in the middle of the recording. If he's not speaking at that point just chop it out.
 
Really if the mic is bonked it's gonna obscure any other signal anyway so a second of silence is better than than a bump noise. A gate will bring it down a bit but it'll still be pretty loud.
 
You could also try R-Mix and watch where the blobs appear when the bumps happen then set your bubble around it and turn that part of the signal down. I don't think that will really be much better than just editing it out. Maybe someone else will have some better ideas. Good luck.
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