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2013/07/27 00:50:30
AT
Like I said, the differences are small.  A transducer is a transducer is a transducer.  Most microphones will work.  Some better.  Some better on certain sources.  I bought my Oktava 319 when guitar center was blowing them out for $100.  Great deal.  I got it fixed last year and upgraded for almost $300 and it wasn't really a new mic, but I could hear a difference.  But more on a molecular level.  It wasn't 3 times better, any more than a $6000 manley I checked it out against was 15 to 60 times  better.  As the studio owner said, you could probably eq most of the difference.  As you work w/ the shure you should find out how to use it better.  Same w/ the preamp when you get it.  It is a matter of inches, not yards.  But at some point those inches start to matter, even if no one else cares. 
 
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2013/07/27 01:37:31
stratman70
Yes, undoubtedly I expected more from the Shure KSM32 in comparison to the C1.Guess I buried the C1 too soon. Did some more stuff and they are very much the same. I was not looking for a a sideways upgrade but I fear that's what I have. The mic is for vocals ONLY. I record my elec and acc guitars direct using the axeFXII-beautiful results.
So I am guessing if I spent $1,000 on a mic the same would apply.
A tube preamp was mentioned to pair with the mic-is that a good choice? I can return the KSM32 if need be without penalty or fee. But where to go?
 
I could swing the AKG 414xl. Hmmm-Well Saturday will be a day of testing and comparing.
The pres in the Roland octa capture sound pretty darn good btw.
2013/07/27 02:07:46
stratman70
Now I am looking at this:http://www.summitaudio.com/2ba221.html Thought the tube integration would be good.
Any thoughts. Someone here mentioned it. Seems to be a step above the ISA 1-from reading only of course
 
2013/07/27 12:17:36
Bristol_Jonesey
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2013/07/27 14:57:19
stratman70
Fixed link-But I have realized that I may have jumped the gun. I wanted a "better" sounding mic, not a mic that sounds similar. Obviously it will take more than $500-$750
for that to happen. That's if it will at all. If I didn't have the C1 I would probably be happy-but I feel like I just spent $500 to go sideways not up. Adding a a bit of EQ to the C1 gave it the same crispness as the ksm32.
I could spend more but I fear, not enough more to hear a major difference. Still need to use Sweetwater because of the same as cash 24 months.
So my other choices are limited to AKG, Lauren, SE , SP and Shure.
 
Think I'll do some more testing now before I give up.
2013/07/27 16:09:43
AT
Although you are dealing w/ Sweetwater you might could find a local store that would let you "test" some vocal mics.  Or a studio - which is always a worthwhile thing.  Go down and see if they got anything that floats your boat.  It sounds like you are wanting something that sounds different in class from the C1/KS32.  Both are transformerless, I believe, large diagphram condensors.  Mabye you are wanting some iron in the mic?  There are plenty of botique  mic makers who have a LDC w/ a transformer.  Makes them darker.  But I think they ususally run over $500.  Even the russian (not chinese capsuled) Okatava 319 is close to that price.  Maybe even a ribbon.
 
Just remember that the difference won't be great, but most often the more expensive mic (or whatever) wins in the longrun.  The apochryphal stories of an sm57 being the perfect mic for a vocalist over a vintage Nueman/AKG/Telefunken etc. are just that - stories told to scare engineers around the camp fire.
2013/07/27 18:12:13
stratman70
@AT
I really appreciate you weighing in as much as you are. I think you are correct-I am expecting a big change but that isn't going to happen.
 
I have some projects I am going to run thru and record the same vocal lines but using the KSM32. Should have done that already instead of a short A\B test.
Starting that now.
 
What do you think about a tube preamp-maybe that's the "whatever" I need?
 
Thanks again
2013/07/28 00:51:53
AT
Running real recordings is better than testing.  So yea, give it a try.
 
the standard addage is the closer the source the more impact the tool.  Thus a mic will have more influence than the preamp, which has more than the converter, and all of which have less to do with the sound than the performance.  My vote would be to put the money into the mic, tho I'm not sure how much more bang you are going to get for a couple of hundred extra dollars.  I know that I'm pretty sure I could hear the difference when Michael Joly modded my 319.  But I didn't really appreciate the difference between my old FirePod and new TCK 48 until I had used it for a while.  A lot of it frankly, has to do w/ your ears getting more attuned to recording or mixing. 
 
But I've learned that it is never bad to spend money on good equipement - you can go overboard, of course, but something solid like the ISA One is a great investment.  I take it you haven't tried any new preamp w/ the ksm32 but are using your interface.  I like to mix things up - transformerless w/ transformer, that kind of thing.  The Warm preamp is another solid midprice unit, but like I said above it is more vintage - thicker if that makes sense.  I've also got a pair of Warm's new preamp, the Tone Beast, which has all kinds of variables - different transformers in the output, opamps in the mic pre, etc. etc.  It is lots of fun since you can mix and match w/in the preamp.  I was recording bass w/ it last week (DI'ed) and I got a completely clean sound that worked on one sound while on the next song I put a growl into the bass using the gain/output knobs.  I mean, who knows what you'll like.  Again, your best bet is to try some stuff out yourself (you are recording your own voice, right).
 
As for the summit audio preamp - that is the one w/ the variable tube input, right? About $700?  I've heard good things - I'm sure it is a capable unit.  I must say I've never used the summit.  Some of their other stuff, yes, tho I'm not really all that familiar w/ the line.  But for that type of money ($600)and adding some variable sound the Tone Beast would be my pick - simply because I've used it - a lot.  I got a second one for sending stereo signals as well as mastering.  But I don't know if that kind of saturation is what you are looking for - the distortion you can get is better for instruments.
 
If you can't try before buying you are probably best off getting a good mic preamp and a good mic.  I've used the ISA one and like it.  I'm sure the Summit would be good, too.  But it might take a while to fine the perfect mic for you at a reasonable price - you would probably sound great w/ a vintage Neuman.  But in the meanwhile you won't be going backwards while you figure out what you want in a mic.
 
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2013/07/28 01:45:17
stratman70
I can get a tube preamp-single channel is all I need. I would like to add some warmth,  tube and some color ( that I believe is what I am missing (for me)
Well, I can go to a $1,000 for the mic. But I am now hoping to get advice on a good tube preamp-$750 t0 $800 range to compliment the KSM32. I'll check the ones you mentioned.
Saw on that had an out that could be used to connect to a monitor system. I like that idea. I would be running the tube pre into the lalyla3G
 
Now I'm starting to feel confident that I can get there and still keep the KSM32. Save the rest for the pre. BTW, I do not have to go thru Sweetwater for the tube mic pre
 
Thanks as always
2013/07/28 02:30:48
stratman70
I see 3 options for me:
 
1. Keep KSm32 and buy $700 t0 $850 Tube mic pre That gets me the warm tone beast, Summit and another one-tube also.
2. return KSM32 and buy $1200 or so Condenser mic, maybe tube.
3. Keep My trusty old (Hardly used never abused) Sp C1 original since I cannot hear a huge difference between the 2, return KSM32 and buy a tube mic pre for my U87 clone, almost
 
Advice welcome
 
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