• SONAR
  • reducing fret noise (p.3)
2013/07/29 12:40:06
Jim Roseberry
ry1633
Hey gang,
 
I've just did an acoustic guitar in X2 that I'm super happy with performance-wise, but I'd like to go in and dial-down the finger slides that happened when my left-hand slid just a little bit.
 
Any X2 strategies for that kind of scenario?




 
You can approach this two different ways:
 
  • Split the offending squeaks into separate Clips.  You can then lower the gain and/or use EQ to effectively tame the squeaks (while leaving the rest of the track untouched).
  • Use gain envelope to "duck" the level of the squeaks.
 
I wouldn't apply EQ to the track as a whole.  By the time you'd tame the squeaks, you'd rob the guitar of a LOT of upper mids (clarity/definition).
2013/07/29 14:03:40
konradh
It's too late now, but Finger Ease is good for next time.
 
I personally find flat wounds to be less bright than round, but that is all just a matter of taste.
 
Similar example to sidroe's point: I busted my a$$ softening breath noises on a track.  The next day I heard a brilliant recording and performance cut by an engineer I respect, and there was absolutely no reduction of the breath sounds; and it was fine.  So, there you go.
2013/07/29 14:14:26
LpMike75
If you add reverb, it can enhance those ugly noises, you can try EQ'ing the reverb and cutting some high's out.  I had the same problem in the below recording, I ended up leaving it because I was too inexperienced at the time
 
https://soundcloud.com/michael-lizotte/god-only-knows
2013/07/30 10:04:39
Beepster
I agree with GIM. R-Mix would likely be the easiest way and would give you lots of control on how much gets reduced so you don't make it sound unnatural. Just watch the R-Mix graphical display to see where the squeaks occur, set your bubble and adjust the level inside the bubble. You can also automate R-Mix so you could only have the effect working at the actual squeak points and if different squeaks appear at different frequencies you can automate the bubble to move to where it is needed. R-Mix is AWESOME for cleaning up acoustic guitar tracks of all sorts of stuff like room noise, breaths, thumps against the body of the guitar, etc.
 
I could give a ton of other more practical advice as far as performance technique but I'll leave it at that for now unless you request it.
 
Cheers.
2013/07/30 10:31:58
ry1633
I've never used R-Mix before.   Is it a Sonar plugin?
2013/07/30 10:38:08
mmorgan
R-Mix is an X2 plugin. There is also a standalone hardware version available from Roland.
 
Regards,
2013/07/30 10:38:09
chuckebaby
ry1633
I've never used R-Mix before.   Is it a Sonar plugin?


yes it is, but don't try and use it as a live vst effect, only use it after the fact because the plug in induces latency.
2013/07/30 12:22:19
Beepster
Sorry, I'm wrangling with some other craziness right now. Looks like Chuck and mmorgan have you covered. There are some good vids on youtube on how to use R-Mix effectively. The version that comes with X2 is a scaled down version but all the important features are there. It's surprisingly easy to use compared to other restoration tools I've looked at although perhaps not as in depth. However for this type of thing it should be ideal. I plan on using it on a bunch of live stuff I have to reduce crowd noise, mic bumps and feedback swells. Perhaps a little ambitious but the idea isn't complete elimination/isolation for my purposes. Just taming things a bit. Check it out. It is very cool. The blobs are almost hypnotic. ;-)
2013/07/30 23:03:05
rcrees
GIM Productions
Hi,if you stay on X2 Producer you can try R-Mix to reduce the noise or V-Vocal if the track is mono.
I use V-Vocal to fix the bass performance record,it's awesome for time and noise.
Best



Yes, +1 for R-Mix
2013/07/31 13:54:02
M_Glenn_M
tomixornot
I have also been experimenting with the De-esser in the VX VocalStrip - when I turn on the listen switch, all I could hear was the fret noise so it must be good reducing/removing them ?
Anyone using De-esser for this ?

Mike Senior suggests this method in his "Mixing Secrets" pg 215
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