• SONAR
  • Frustrated, Explanation and apology below. (p.5)
2013/07/29 19:50:25
wcedgar
'A couple things you need to list is first what bit depth and sample rate are those audio files you "dumped" into X2? Another is your system specs.'
 
I'll find out that info from the HD 24 and get back to you.
Thanks neighbor 
2013/07/29 21:22:27
wcedgar
I'll be having a drummer in the booth Wed. night to see what the room sounds like and if I need to tone it down any.  I'll record some tracks with his kit all miked up and then add some acoustic guitar, steel, fiddle and all the rest and send it over to Sonar so I have something to work with.  
One guy on here was saying that it wouldn't work well using my Windows 8 32 bit OS so I ordered the 64 bit to install in a few days when it gets here.  On the Cakewalk website tho it does say that X2 Producer IS compatible with both 32 and 64 bit Windows 8 OS.  This is what I have to work with and this is what I am going to use regardless of what anyone else uses and will make it work for me. :).
Regardless, when I install it I'll add some SDRAM and be fine.  I can see any instance where I'd be using more tan 16 tracks or so. 
 
2013/07/29 21:37:26
John
There is no reason X2 32 bits wont perform fine for you. Right now I would concentrate on getting this setup to work. Remember we have used 32 bits for a long time. 
 
Audio is not going to bother you with a need for more RAM. Where you really need the RAM is when you use soft synths especially with sample players. 
 
Now if and when you do get more RAM replace it all and make sure its the exact same type and brand. Hopefully it'll be matched. Don't add similar modules. Replace it all.
 
Now I still don't know what the audio files bit depth and sample rate are. This is important. 
2013/07/29 21:54:36
wcedgar
Would that be maybe 44.1K-48.0K
 
Yes I just found that and it says
HD24 is built exclusively for the purpose of recording music instead of data, resulting in remarkable stability and performance. HD24 enables engineers to record up to 24 tracks of high-resolution 24-bit recording at 44.1 and 48 kHz sample rates. 
 
24 bit depth
2013/07/29 22:11:48
mmorgan
Yes you want to use a bit depth of 24.
 
Since the HD24 can use both 44.1k or 48k sample rates I would set Sonar and your sound card/adaptor so that it uses the same as the settings on your HD24.
 
That said in my experience Sonar is pretty robust about the importation of WAV files with sample rates other than what the current setting is.
 
Regards
2013/07/29 22:16:34
John
Why I guess you are asking its because you need to match the bit depth and sample with the X2 project. Although X2 isn't perturb by mixing bit depths at all. Still I think its better to have everything the same.  BTW You do know that you could, with the right audio card (audio interface) record directly into X2.  After all thats what its for. For now we'll work with how you have things set up. The sample rate is very important. It must match. Be sure what it is and set that in X2 too.
 
How are you getting the audio into X2? Is it an import?
2013/07/29 22:33:05
wcedgar
Yes I know that, but I don't want to record into X2.
I like turning knobs and using my analog console.
I use my Alesis Fireport to get it over to the PC and then import it into Sonar.
As far as I'm concerned the best recordings in the world have all come from analog consoles and 2" tape.  
The problem with the digital world is there's no 'personality' anymore.
 
2013/07/30 19:15:05
wcedgar
If there is anyone in the Wichita or mid-KS area I can pay to show me some things to get started I'd sure be up for it.  
Thanks
2013/07/30 20:42:09
cclarry
wcedgar
Yes I know that, but I don't want to record into X2.
I like turning knobs and using my analog console.
I use my Alesis Fireport to get it over to the PC and then import it into Sonar.
As far as I'm concerned the best recordings in the world have all come from analog consoles and 2" tape.  
The problem with the digital world is there's no 'personality' anymore.
 



You do realize that you can record directly into X2 and ADD these characteristics right? 

First, recording into Sonar WILL bring in the characteristics of your console.  Second,
you can add "Tape Saturation" with many different plugins, i.e. Kramer Master Tape, Slate VTM, ToneBoosters ReelBus, etc...
there's a lot of them out there...

If you want the "REEL" analog feel, then you might as well bypass a DAW all together...
And X2 comes with it's "own" Analog Console emulations as well...

There's far more personality, for far less money, in a DAW then in analog...sorry to say...
Analog is great, don't get me wrong...nothing can replace the "TRUE TUBE" saturation and
harmonics of analog gear....but the DAW is getting PRETTY DARN close...
2013/07/30 20:45:48
John
"The problem with the digital world is there's no 'personality' anymore."
 
If you have X2 Producer you have Console emulation that gives you that sort of thing. 
 
Now you may be right about the best recordings were done on analog equipment but that stuff cost into the millions for the best quality gear. The price hasn't gone down either.
 
What we have is nearly as good when you consider the signal to noise ratio as well as virtually no distortion. IM or harmonic nether of which offers anything but obscuring the recorded sound. Compare what you can get with a decent audio interface to a live performance in a good acoustic space and we are completely blessed. 
 
You can add back as much distortion as you like including the sound of a bad vinyl record. Wow and flutter dirt and scratches too. Now if that is acoustic nirvana to you stay with your inexpensive analog gear. To me digital audio has empowered all of us. This is not to put you down but only to point out that there is not comparison between affordable digital and comparable analog gear. What cost hundreds in digital cost many thousands in analog. 
 
       
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