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2013/07/30 01:04:10
synkrotron
Hello Peeps, I hope you are all well 
 
It's not me that has an internal bleeding problem by the way... It is a perceived problem I'm currently having with X2.
 
I say "perceived" because the behaviour I am experiencing may be correct. It just seems a bit weird to me and I don't like it.
 
As anyone who already knows me, I am mainly a MIDI person. I recently bought a new guitar which inspired me to try and learn to play properly, again.
 
The other night I decided to lay down an idea. It was going to be a simple thing and I started off with a bass line, played by myself on a cheap bass I got many years ago. I then added a basic drum track using Battery 3.
 
The third track I created was for my guitar and I wanted to experiment with some heavy riffage. I added an instance of GR5 to the effects bin and chose "God's Love," which is particularly heavy on the old distortion.
 
And that's where it all went wrong. I've never noticed this before, but I was getting serious feedback just as if I was playing through an amp. I was DI'ing into my QUAD-CAPTURE so I couldn't understand why that was happening.
 
Furthermore, I noticed that, when I wasn't playing the guitar, the drums and bass tracks were "bleeding" into the guitar track. Really bad.
 
I'm stumped. I checked all my sound preferences and there is nothing I can see that would be causing this "problem."
 
My setup is in my signature. I know that does not reveal everything and when I get time I will post up all the details of my settings too. I thought I'd run this up the flagpole first and see if anyone knows of anything obvious I am doing wrong, or if my so called problem is not really a problem.
 
Thanks Peeps, I'll leave that with you and check back in later
2013/07/30 01:28:53
John
Are you monitoring while recording with monitors?
2013/07/30 06:13:59
jb101
It sounds like your guitar's pick ups are a tad microphonic. Try monitoring through headphones when you are recording.
2013/07/30 07:04:43
wizard71
Feedback loop. Does your pc have a microphone? If not I would say that your input/output routings are incorrect. Is the output of your sound device being fed back into the input? Look at the input monitoring section in X2 help....

http://www.cakewalk.com/D...;Req=Recording.22.html

Hope this helps

Bibs
2013/07/30 07:10:44
The Maillard Reaction
 
Is Auto Sens on?
 
Is there anything hooked up to coax 3 and 4? In the Quad Capture mixer software is the input level on Quad Capture mixer software coax 3 and 4 turned up?
 
 
2013/07/30 07:28:01
js516
synkrotron
chose "God's Love," which is particularly heavy on the old distortion. 


High gain + guitar + playing too close to your daw = lots of interference noise and feedback

+1 jb101

Use headphones and stay at least 4 feet away from your pc. Preferable facing 90 degress from the pc and montors. If you listen carefully when not playing and montoring of the guitar is on ,you will notice the background noise deminish as you turn away from computers, lighting etc.

Also make sure your guitar cable is not too close the pc.
2013/07/30 07:30:00
synkrotron
Thanks for all the replies thus far. I appreciate it.
 
Hi John. I DI into the QUAD-CAPTURE and monitor with heaphones. If I unplug the headphones I still get the "problem."
 
Hi JB. The problem occurs even without the guitar plugged in, which is one of the reasons why this is stumping me.
 
Hi Wizard. Thanks for the link. I will check it out in more detail when I get home later. I thought I was pretty handy with device set-up and routing options but there must be something I am missing...
 
Hi Mike. Auto Sens is off. I've also checked the Q-C mixer software and again, I can't see anything wrong in there. And there is nothing connected to the SPDIF conns.
 
I should have mentioned that I tried another thing last night:-
 
I created a new blank project,
I added a new single audio track,
I set the input to the left side of my Q-C,
I added an instance of GR5 to the effects bin,
I selected "God's Love,"
I turned on Input Echo,
Without anything connected to the Q-C input or having my headphones connected the meters hit the roof if I turned up the input level on the Q-C.
And turning up the headphone volume exacerbates the problem.
 
I also tried the same with an instance of TH2 added and selection a high distortion patch.
 
There has to be some clues in there somewhere, I just cannot see it.
 
Many thanks again for your help so far guys
2013/07/30 07:33:19
synkrotron
Hi js516,
 
Our replies crossed in the post, so to speak
 
If you check out my reply above you will see that the problem occurs even without having my guitar or headphones plugged in.
 
It must be an internal software sound path issue and I'll have to read up a bit more on that.
 
Thanks anyway.
2013/07/30 07:36:05
The Maillard Reaction
Any sends going to a bus?
2013/07/30 07:44:46
synkrotron
Yeah Mike, in the first post I made, that project had an effects bus with Breverb only.
 
But the last test that I did, that I mentioned just above, I only had one audio track. Nothing else.
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