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What is an envelope follower then? (ala certain Steinberg product)

 
Yikes.

is it something that works on hi heavy material ? Maybe I should post on the Steinberg forum with links to Sonar or something.

In Steinberg's case the correct term is Envelope Shaper which is basically a transient shaper. It is designed to modify transients at the start of a sound. It is not so much a frequency thing but more a time domain thing. ie it can tighten up or slow down the attack part of a sound. Very similar to Sonar's Transient Shaper.
 
Envelope follower is something different. That creates a voltage that is proportional to the amplitude of the signal right through its attack phase and the rest of the sound as well. That voltage is then used to control something else eg a filter cutoff frequency creating a wah wah effect for example. The louder the signal the more the filter opens up and lets more of the frequency range through. That voltage can be used in a number of ways too to control other things.
 
 

Good man Jeff, been trying to figure out what the follower on reasons pulveriser is all about, and you have just nailed it, cheers (too lazy to go read up on it, thought i'd figure it out my self lol)

http://www.propellerheads..._pulveriser_demolition

Hey Chris. Pulveriser seems to do many things as quoted here from their website:
 
Pulveriser Demolition Pulveriser brings together crunchy compression, dirty distortion, a multimode filter and flexible modulation in a single sound-crunching effect. Crush, mangle, and destroy your sounds. Apply careful parallel compression to bring out the details of a sample or recording. Use the envelope follower when recording live instruments for responsive, expressive filter effects.
 
But as well as all that stuff it mainly does it seems to also include an envelope follower which in turn is controlling a filter. The only thing here is that if you are doing that on the way in it is destructive. I would be recording a dry version of the input signal and the envelope follower (controlling a filter) in Pulveriser if I was doing something like that.
 
 

Jeff am using it alot on my overdriven 909 kicks, its nasty, the transfere curve on its compressor is a crazy looking shape

brconflict,
 
Couldn't you do a null test to ensure that the EQ has 0 impact?
 
Take any wave file you like...
 
Import it into a project with nothing on it and PC Enabled with no FX on it and EQ disabled.
 
Bounce to tracks.
 
Next, since we want to do a null test where there is no PC EQ, import the two tracks into some other audio software and flip phase on one and bounce, then normalize. What do you have?
 
I'll try to run the test later, but I don't have Sonar with me at the moment.
 

Hi all,i completely desagree for the C7 channel strip sound,especially for the Saturation character.
For Sonar Expander/Gate i believe that there is a little bit of confusion.
Many people talk of gate to control the transient.....but the transient is controlled by expander function and the Sonar's exp its great on transient stuff like kick,snare,percussions,bass and brass attack too.
Its sound is very close to the hardware (for me....ADAM and K&O monitoring).
Best

Last post on this...

POST TITLE....The Pro Channel and IT'S Unique sound" - I don't think that can be "misread" or misunderstood...

The Pro Channel DOES NOT have a "sound"...
THEREFORE it is NOTHING unique...

that was my entire point, and
if you read my first post John, I have applauded the PC and the MODULES.

THERE WAS NO COMPLAINT - only a STATEMENT:
(only complaint was that Cake haven't given us more PC Modules
  and that I'd like to be able to remove the Quad Curve, but that wasn't
  a complaint, just a statement also)

The PC is nothing more then a glorified "effects" bin...in a proprietary format
YES it looks really nice....as you can see the controls without having to 
double click the effect in the bin to open it...but that's it..it's nothing "spectacular"
and EVERYTHING it does can be done with the "effects" bin.  Make 
the Quad Curve EQ and the other Modules  VST's and then it REALLY offers NOTHING extra,
other then "visibility along side the Channel Strip" and where it it sits in the signal chain.
NO ONE WOULD EVEN CONSIDER ARGUING THAT POINT.

The one thing I've found in all these forums is that "objectivity" is VERY RARE or non-existent.

People applaud and praise "their product" regardless of the situation, or whether or not
they are right or wrong, and denigrate other products, having NEVER even used them.
It's the nature of humanity - the "MINE is better because I USE IT" syndrome all to prevalent
in the music business...

The PC MODULES are very good.  However, the Waves API, Neve, and SSL are FAR FAR FAR superior to the Console Emulators
of the Pro Channel....they cost a LOT more also...so they should be superior.
There are VASTLY superior EQ's...
There are VASTLY superior Compressors
There are VASTLY superior Limiters
There are VASTLY superior Gates
There are VASTLY superior Reverbs
There are VASTLY superior Amp Sims...

The main disadvantage...they COST MORE (i.e. not included with the product) so
we should expect nothing more then them being better...

I love Sonar, that's why I use it...but I'm not living in "la-la" land...sorry...

The Pro Channel Modules were DESIGNED to NOT have a unique sound. 
The PC-4K Modules (E/G and Compressor's) were designed to Emulate the SSL 4000 Console
"sound" so it should NOT be unique...

The Console Emulators were designed to "sound" like the API, Neve, and SSL consoles, and 
If Cake was successful, their sound should NOT be "UNIQUE" but should be equal to the
Hardware they were designed to emulate....GET MY POINT HERE...

The only UNIQUE Modules (to Sonar) are the Quad Curve EQ and the Concrete Limiter...
and BOTH of these modules DO add COLOR (sound)

ALL OTHERS EMULATE OTHER HARDWARE....END OF STORY...BYE BYE...

The ProChannel does NOT have a sound....it's an "effects" bin...NOTHING MORE - NOTHING LESS...
The Modules are what have the "sound" and they are very nice...as I stated in my original post.
If you are offended by "misreading" my posts, and thinking that "objectivity" is BASHING Sonar,
I can't help that...

And ANY SANE PERSON from OUTSIDE, coming INTO this forum, and reading the OP's original statement would make the assumption 
that it IS THE PRO CHANNEL ITSELF that has a UNIQUE sound, which it does not have a "sound" at all.

One of the VERY FIRST RULES of literature is you write for THE INTELLIGENT STRANGER...
not for the "famliar" CAKE-ITE forum members...sorry to say...and the OP's statement is IMMINENTLY clear...

And I'm done arguing with the CAKE-ITES....who would argue with a BRICKWALL LIMITER...even when wrong...