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2013/06/23 11:24:19
dcumpian
Beepster
Dammit, Danny! Now I'm gonna have to read all that. lol
 
;-)




Worth it, IMO...
 
Regards,
Dan
2013/06/23 11:32:30
FastBikerBoy
IMHO Danny's posts are always worth reading. Does that make me a Danny Fanboi?
2013/06/23 11:44:53
Beepster
Okay, I didn't really read the rest of the thread (seems there has been some sort of kerfuffle, ugh) but many of Danny's points apply to me directly as a relative newcomer and his thoughts on the chosen frequencies for the Quad EQ make sense. I didn't know why but there have been MANY times when I'm messing around with something trying to get it sounding better quickly and found that really just turning the default bands up/down and/or making the band wider/narrower gets me pretty much where I want. It kind of freaks me out because after years of screwing around with 10 band EQs or whatever and having to fiddle with things forever using trial and error it was weird just having the right frequencies right out of the gate. I'd think "well geeze if it sounds that good without moving the band maybe if just nudge it over a bit I can really hone in on an even sweeter spot". Most times it will make it sound worse... like significantly worse. So I don't know what kind of fancy voodoo they did to come up with those bands or whether that's how the hardware versions were set but man... it is really spot on and really convenient.
 
I would however like to see an option for more bands though. The quad is great for getting close but yeah, I do end up tossing the Sonitus EQ on stuff a lot of the times to do some fine tuning. However I usually don't have to do much which is again a huge time saver. I'm not used to getting my EQing done so quickly and I mean this is even before I actually did some hardcore studying on general EQ principals. Now it's like I just go in there and within seconds I got something cool happening.
 
The CA2A is another massive time saver. It's not great for everything but man... it sure does work for most stuff I'm doing and again it doesn't take me forever to dial in like some of the other ones. I was able to use it rather easily before studying up on compression as well so that's a good thing for a n00b.
 
As far as the CE... I kind of like it but I don't use it as recommended. I'll try it on specific tracks or busses to see what it does. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, sometimes you just can't hear it at all. I like a bit of old school grit on stuff because... well I listen to tons of old metal, punk, country, rock, etc that was recorded with less than stellar equipment and I like to put a bit of that into my sound. It may seem weird to some but I just don't like ultra clarity. Too cold and sterile. I would likely be better off with some of the fancy tape sim plugs but I don't really have money for that kind of thing so the CE is just something cool to have around. I would die without it though. Edit: That should have read I WOULDN'T die without it. lol
 
Meh. Just some ramblings. Cheers.
2013/06/23 13:26:57
John
One of the main themes I have been trying to get across for a very long time is that the plugins that come bundled with Sonar are of very high quality. Its easy to assume that when we don't pay a lot for something it can't be very good. This is a mistake that we users need to reexamine because its not true.  
 
When the PC came out with X1 some members became curious and did some testing. What they found was that the PC modules were every bit as good as very expensive third party plugins. The same was done with the add on modules especially the PC2a t type. As Danny and many found it is as good or better then the UA equivalent. 
 
What I have found is that if you are using these plugins as they were meant to be used you should not have any down side from using them.
 
As Danny mentioned the Sonitus plugins are of very high quality and before CW bough the company to own them would cost you.
 
The notion that you have to pay through the nose in order to get high quality was debunked by Voxengo years ago. Right now a user with X2 Producer has everything they need to make a great sounding mix. the reason to get a third party plugin is because it offers a feature that you find useful. Some prefer a Fabfilter plugin for the GUI or Sonar has nothing to do the job. But it is not for the poor sound that Sonar's plugins offer. That is completely wrong and shows a severe lack of knowledge about what they have at hand.
 
To the OP thank you for starting this thread so that we have an opportunity to let others know what we think about the PC and its modules.   
 
 
 
   
2013/06/23 15:08:17
bapu
I'm not a FanBoi, I'm a DanBoi.
2013/06/23 15:16:26
rmorter
I was a hold out on the move from 8.5 to X2, but after lurking on the forum and reading the praise for PC, I bit the bullet and have now done a song from scratch w/ X2, using PC. I have nothing but good reviews regarding the sound difference on the new tune compared to the older tunes. As said earlier, my quantum leap in mixing abilities coincided exactly with the move to using PC.
 
I understand the earlier comments about using console emulation, but I like it. Like Craig Anderton's review suggested, I've used it on all tracks and busses. I expect it to color the sound (otherwise why use it?). And for me, and the few people that listen to my tunes, the results are an improvement. I've even tried it using my same plugin chains from before, but adding the CE, and it just sounds better, IMO.
 
I have a few Waves plugs too, but I'm also using them less. I like the stock EQ in the PC.
 
Just my $.02.
2013/06/23 15:44:51
paulo
bapu
I'm not a FanBoi, I'm a DanBoi.




Yeah, Danny is right about everything !
 
well, except for cars and.........maybe hair ;)
2013/06/23 16:08:24
Beepster
paulo
bapu
I'm not a FanBoi, I'm a DanBoi.




Yeah, Danny is right about everything !
 
well, except for cars and.........maybe hair ;)




Hey now... I've grown back my epic locks. Danny probably has a smaller forehead than I do though and less split ends so I guess he's got me beat there too. :-/
 
We need a Rogaine/v05 PC module. This is important.
2013/06/23 18:06:19
Chregg
heres a prime example of how good the pro channel modules sound, and on the master bus, lp eq, bus compressor and cl 2a, with a bit of limiting with ozones maximiser https://soundcloud.com/chris-macfarlane-1
2013/06/23 18:16:53
paulo
Chregg
heres a prime example of how good the pro channel modules sound, and on the master bus, lp eq, bus compressor and cl 2a, with a bit of limiting with ozones maximiser https://soundcloud.com/chris-macfarlane-1





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