dxp
FWIW, I was talking to Brandon at Gear Fest last weekend and he said there would be something released yet
This year. Of course he could not say what it was (x2b or x3).
He also said there are some very cool things in the works between sonar and Roland.
Sonar/cakewalk is alive and healthy.

So if you feel you've been wronged by the lack of communication or a fix and feel the need to jump ship, then you gotta do what you Gotta do.
Keep in mind that they are still feeling the effects of a corporate change.
Anyone that is in the business world that has been thru this knows that it is NOT just business as usual after that.
It takes time for things to settle out.
This translates into what we are seeing right now.
Be patient folks. Good things will come.

Thanks, dxp.   Although I have no dire need for an X2b since X2a is working rather well for me overall, and I'm just not prone to conspiracies and speculation, it is nice to see a little light at the end of the proverbial tunnel...  even if that light source is unknown.  
 
Here's hoping that whatever it is that happens, whenever it does this year, it will be enough to calm the sometimes rocky SONAR boat around these waters.   The forum upgrade was a big + in my book and at least shows that things are still moving forward.  So I'm personally looking forward to see what's next...  and I'll be patiently (and happily) using X2a until then.
 

Hmmm not saying anyone here doesn't have a complaint but it sounds kind of crybabyish , AND it sounds like every other product out there. General Motors? What do you do when your car has a bug? Or that new fridge you bought has a big honking dent in it? Or that can of spahgettios is out of date? Or your new paintball gun has an air leak? It can't be just me that everything I buy has something wrong with it?? Do you really think Cakewalk is purposely sitting back and putting out bad products? Doesn't sound like a company that has been in business that long and has such a big impact on the music industry is trying to stiff it's customers.
You guys are able to figure out all this software and do something with it , wether pro or hobbyist yet still feel this way.
Sonar and all of its products have done wonders for me and I'm quite happy with it all , even with some bugs.

P.S. the new forum has gotten back into using it on my handheld as well as I'm glad to have all the free downloads from the content club etc.

twistofate
Hmmm not saying anyone here doesn't have a complaint but it sounds kind of crybabyish , AND it sounds like every other product out there. General Motors? What do you do when your car has a bug? Or that new fridge you bought has a big honking dent in it? Or that can of spahgettios is out of date? Or your new paintball gun has an air leak? It can't be just me that everything I buy has something wrong with it?? Do you really think Cakewalk is purposely sitting back and putting out bad products? Doesn't sound like a company that has been in business that long and has such a big impact on the music industry is trying to stiff it's customers.
You guys are able to figure out all this software and do something with it , wether pro or hobbyist yet still feel this way.
Sonar and all of its products have done wonders for me and I'm quite happy with it all , even with some bugs.

Way to insult a large segment of the forum users. Lookit... when even the guys who get accused of being "fanbois" say "Yeah, there are some problems here that need to be addressed" something is wrong. I've seen a lot of silly and unreasonable "crybabying" (as you so tactfully put it) on here but when there are serious, legitimate and consistent bugs I don't think it's too much to ask for a patch.
 
And who the heck buys a defective fridge, car, air gun, etc and just say "Welp, dems the breaks". You return it and get what you paid for. We don't have that option and most of us WANT to use the product. I think it's great when it's working properly. I just want to do my thing without wrestling with glitches and having to find workarounds for every third feature.

Bugs are a significant drag for me these days. It blows to do all that listening and then not get the benefits of all the settings you tweaked. Just saying.

i'm glad that noel jumped in on the tech post, but i feel that it is hypocritical of him to post there, but ignore the threads like this one.
 
c'mon, noel, i believe you owe your loyal user base a comment here. you're giving us the "nod's as good as a wink to a dead horse" treatment. problem is, the horse (loyal cakewalk user base) is still alive and kickin', and just needs a drink...

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Way to insult a large segment of the forum users. Lookit... when even the guys who get accused of being "fanbois" say "Yeah, there are some problems here that need to be addressed" something is wrong. I've seen a lot of silly and unreasonable "crybabying" (as you so tactfully put it) on here but when there are serious, legitimate and consistent bugs I don't think it's too much to ask for a patch. And who the heck buys a defective fridge, car, air gun, etc and just say "Welp, dems the breaks". You return it and get what you paid for. We don't have that option and most of us WANT to use the product. I think it's great when it's working properly. I just want to do my thing without wrestling with glitches and having to find workarounds for every third feature.

Yes I figured some would be insulted about my reply , and that's not to say if I buy something defective I just sit back and let it happen , I do stand up for what is right , trust that , and I do speak my mind and the truth. My view was that ALOT products out there seem to be " bugged" , nothing is perfect and you certainly can't please everyone.
It just seems like a blame game on a good company with a good product.
My Sonar has a crash now and then , does weird stuff , though it does seem that some of these problems might be other than software , we all have different computers , set- ups etc and the knowledge of how to use them.
I certainly am not the type to kick something up or offend so accept my apology for those that it did.
I'm grateful and amazed what cakewalk is offering as a product to allow me to do all that I can with it, right in my own home!
Cake knows what's going on , and I'm sure they know its in their best interest to put out a quality product.

twistofate

Yes I figured some would be insulted about my reply , and that's not to say if I buy something defective I just sit back and let it happen , I do stand up for what is right , trust that , and I do speak my mind and the truth. My view was that ALOT products out there seem to be " bugged" , nothing is perfect and you certainly can't please everyone.
It just seems like a blame game on a good company with a good product.
My Sonar has a crash now and then , does weird stuff , though it does seem that some of these problems might be other than software , we all have different computers , set- ups etc and the knowledge of how to use them.
I certainly am not the type to kick something up or offend so accept my apology for those that it did.
I'm grateful and amazed what cakewalk is offering as a product to allow me to do all that I can with it, right in my own home!
Cake knows what's going on , and I'm sure they know its in their best interest to put out a quality product.

Alright. Just think the crybaby comment could have been avoided while still making your point. Thing is I'm usually on Cake's side. They seem like decent dude's, it's a cool product and up until recently I've been impressed with their interaction with the customers. I don't blame them for not wanting to post here much considering the abuse they take over silly stuff but this is big and it effects us all. I took a chance with Sonar and I'm not regretting it yet but I've been anxiously awaiting a patch since Feb/March (which is when I was expecting some fixes). Still nothing and it's starting to worry me that they are indeed gonna try to pull a paid upgrade. I already paid... significantly more than many in fact due to some bad timing on my part. I want X2 to work. I NEED it to work. I can't afford to pay for an upgrade and considering that X2 is only half baked it seems logical that X3 would just introduce a whole new set of problems that we'll have to wait and hope for fixes for. I know every DAW has their issues but if they can't be arsed to even try to get this working a little better I'll just squat on X2 and use other programs to do the things X2 can't. That's why I mentioned Reaper. It's cheap/free, I already have a bunch of the plugs/instruments I need so that's not an issue and reports seem to indicate it's a pretty stable workhorse for most things. Then instead of giving Cakewalk any more money that will get squirreled away and I'll get Cubase. Between the three programs I should be able to do everything I need to.
 
I would rather just stick with X2 though because I like it and I know how to use it. It's very frustrating like a girlfriend who is perfect for you in every single way except she has a drinking problem and keeps stealing money from your wallet. She keeps telling you she'll stop but eventually you just gotta let go.
 
Perhaps it's time for an intervention for Cakewalk's own good. Lotta die hard Cake fans sounding like they're ready to jump ship. That ain't good.

Gah... stupid formatting.

I think bugs with new functionality are understandable, even forgivable. Bugs with select all, volume automation, pan automation - These are fundamental and basic. When sonar audio follows the Envelope but display doesn't or vice versa, I have trouble accepting that the problem is in my ram. :-)

I've been having vista flashbacks.