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Good point: as long as one doesn't distort the facts. Exactly what I've been avoiding here - in fact I've been clarifying them.
 
Apple speak is the distortion one gives when claiming a superiority that just plain doesn't exist.
 
Ex.:

• Top notch performance
• Rock solid
• acceptable performance

 
The words are useless without quantification/qualification. Fluff. Rock solid?
 
Mac's go belly up all the time.
 
 

Ok, so me saying that I experience rock solid performance under OSX and observing that it is a common thing among the people in my professional entourage is Apple Speak and useless words w/ no quantification/qualification. In other words, YOU get to decide what's valid or not, YOU call all the shots, right?
 
You get to say that Mac's go belly up all the time - w/o anything to back it up -  and you try to teach me what makes a valid argument?
 
I use my DAW between 8 to 12 hours a day and sometimes more, 5 days a week and sometimes more. In over 2 1/2 years that I've used Logic, not ONCE I've had a crash EXCEPT when using Pod Farm. I've also had performance issues w/ NI Kontakt.
 
Apart from that, NADA. And I rarely ever set the buffers in Logic anywhere higher than 64. In fact, I ran them at 32 for over a year. 
 
That, my friend, is what I call ROCK SOLID Performance.
 
As for the attempted lesson, well, thanks, but as I've said earlier, I've used Windows and Sonar - and Pro Audio before that - for over 10 years. I'm more than familiar w/ MME, WDM and all the rest. The default Core audio driver works better in my experience. In fact, anyone who's frequented this forum knows that WDM doesn't just work and that in many cases, ASIO is a much better option. WDM certainly didn't work as well w/ my M-Audio Delta and Sonar. 
 
Now you can go on and on about why Apple created Core and how they acquired eMagic and bla bla bla.
 
This doesn't change a thing - Logic w/ the default core drivers is TOP NOTCH. 
 
 
 

OK - you have convinced me that you are defensive about your Apple computer.
 
(kidding - just couldn't resist that).
 
Although I am a PC user, I do believe the Apple OS to be superior to Windows.  My family just had a real bad experience way back when with Apple 2E having a motherboard design issue, and as a fledgling company Apple simply turned off the support phone so nobody could call to complain.  When they DID start making money, they NEVER went back to address their earlier stumble.  My folks had spent literally THOUSANDS decades ago, and while they were getting praise for their Mac release, they were at the same time screwing over a bunch of Apple IIE customers.
 
So, off to the land of PC's went we.
 
Bob Bone
 

You get to say that Mac's go belly up all the time - w/o anything to back it up -  and you try to teach me what makes a valid argument?

 
Precisely!
 
I deliberately left that statement in there in the hopes that it would be noticed. Good call.
 
But then you go
 

In fact, anyone who's frequented this forum knows that WDM doesn't just work and that in many cases, ASIO is a much better option.

 
It's ok for thee but not for me?
 
Kernel streaming drivers work like gang-busters.
 

bladetragic
With the release of Logic Pro X, Cakewalk better get on top of things b/c the competition has just gotten that much stiffer.

Logic Pro X really didn't add that much new/revolutionary to the table...
IMO, Cubase 7.05, ProTools 11 (once 64Bit AAX support shakes out), and DP8 are a lot more "stiff" competition for Sonar.
And these don't require switching platform...

mike_mccue
For example; The frequent forum comments about the color choices available in SONAR X that do not actually work probably inspired this subtle piece of Cakewalk humor:
 

 
If you can't get it done... you might as well have fun. :-)

 
I noticed that too...   
I do think the bakers will (eventually) get the UI further enhanced and sorted out.

Rain
 
Whatever any one claims on the internet, the proof is in the pudding - the vast majority of the professional recording industry use Mac. One would have to be pretty stubborn to insist that none of those guys know anything about computers and that they just use what they've been told to use. Anyway, having met and talked w/ quite a few of them, I know that's b.s. 
 

I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before... but here goes  
 
The strength of a PC is that you *can* choose exactly what goes in it.
Mac and PC both use the same fundamental hardware (Intel CPUs paired with Intel chipset motherboards).
With a Mac, you get what Apple's board of directors deems best.
With a PC, if you know what you're doing, you can spec a machine that's superior to a Mac (component for component) for less money.
A PC can be upgraded anytime (typically a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM)... and you have essentially a new machine.
With a Mac, you wait for the new Mac Pro release.  This release lags behind the fastest available hardware.
If you compare a Mac Pro to a pre-configured Dell/HP, obviously the Mac Pro is a better machine.  Based on cost, it certainly should be.
 
[Tong-in-cheek style]
So... I'm to understand that nobody of significance in the "music industry" uses anything but Mac?
Rolling Stones record label big enough?
How about an engineer/A&R guy from Koch Entertainment in NY?
How about the most well respected mastering engineer in Nashville?
How about an engineer at the Recording Workshop here in OH (similar to Full Sail)?
 
You know... I often bump into younger folks who are into recording.
Usually happens at a computer store... or the local Guitar Center or Sam Ash
Almost without fail, they mention ProTools... trying to impress
Guess that means they're all professionals.   
 
Just this past weekend...
We take my Girlfriend's daughter to StarBucks at the local upscale mall.
The place is like a college library.  You could hear a pin drop.
All the hipsters had their MacBook Pros out... surfing the Internet... trying to look important.
Pretentious doesn't even begin to describe the atmosphere.
No different than when I was a kid in school... and you had to wear the "right" cloths.
OK, I'll say it... Mac is the iZod of computers.
It's the machine the "cool" people tell you to use.
 
When you get down to raw performance, Mac has nothing on a top-tier PC.
Logic Pro is the only major DAW app that doesn't run on a PC.
Apple is genius at two things:
-Packaging
-Marketing
 
All that said, there's nothing wrong with a Mac.
It's neither more/less prone to stability than a quality PC.
 
Something I personally can't stand:
Apple's totalitarian control over everything you do with your iPhone... via iTunes.
With my Galaxy S4 (replaced iPhone 4), I simply drag/drop the tunes I want via Windows Explorer.  So simple... and elegant.
No need for iTunes... and being constrained.  I'm in control...
 
So there you have it:

• Macs are for the cool kids
• PCs are for control freaks

Macs are no longer "cool". They're obligatory.

Something I personally can't stand:
Apple's totalitarian control over everything you do with your iPhone... via iTunes.
With my Galaxy S4 (replaced iPhone 4), I simply drag/drop the tunes I want via Windows Explorer.  So simple... and elegant.
No need for iTunes... and being constrained.  I'm in control...
 
So there you have it:

• Macs are for the cool kids
• PCs are for control freaks

 
I love it when an iPhone guy looks forlornly at the display of my Galaxy S3. They know the fan-boy show's over. 
 
iTunes just frosts me. Everything there has an automatic 30% percent markup (the 'idiot' tax), unless you happen to be a beellion dollar company than can force a negotiation. For that kinda markup - there ought to be bricks, mortar, and a free foot manicure too.
 
I can choose to buy or download from Google Play, I can go to an alternative app store, or I can even install app manually. Can't do that with the Fruity Firm - you gotta bend over and take it from them.
 

The cult of Mac is hilarious to me.  Don't get me wrong.  The things I dislike about Apples business model are ironically what enable it to have a slight advantage in terms of consistency but at unnecessary cost in terms of money and freedom.  I'm sure if someone took the time to build a custom computer using BeOs and had programmers create custom code for music software and drivers it could possibly outperform either Mac or PC.  I think if Amiga OS had maintained development and had the resources of Apple or Microsoft, it may have outperformed either. I suppose that is irrelevant, but it does make the point that being the industry leader is often more about perception than performance.  The myth becomes the reality if enough people buy into it. 
 
I have heard countless anecdotal tails from Mac users about how they have never had a crash.  Obviously experiences vary and any Mac owner who has had a crash knows it often is more serious than with windows because of reduced ability to troubleshoot even the tiniest thing. Every apple product forces such a high dependence on apple.  Phone battery dies , must go to apple.  Put your own music on an ipod, must use i-tunes.  How silly is it that every file put on an ipod has to be converted when such an advanced piece of engineering should be able to simply play an mp3?
 
The thing that seems to make it so cult like is like most  conversions, the new inductee into the cult of Mac goes on the Mac evangalism tour to try and concince everyone of Mac superiority as if it somehow justifies their purchase.  If you are happy with your purchase fine, but it seems like they feel everyone is going to hell if they don't convert too.  It's dowright scary at times,

btw, i think windows kind of sucks but is the lesser of two evils for me at the moment.  I'm partial to Linux but it's just not practical to run linux all the time