dubdisciple
Final Cut was actually developed by a team that created premiere pro.  That team ended up with Macromedia and aqcuired by Apple, so everybody is kinds right.

And besides, it doesn't really matter where the software started. What matters is its now run by the same company providing the OS and hardware.

Randy Ubillos
 
:-)
 
 

backwoods
Me and my professional entourage/retinue appeared in concert with Neil Young and the Horse this year. We were photographed in the audience with the band in the same shot.
 
What superg is correct- there is an idiot tax levied on each MAC purchase. 

I'm guessing that this may very well be a shot at me because of the reference to the "professional entourage"... Coming from a guy who was arguing that Logic X would probably never see the light of day a few weeks ago and that none of the clues hinting that X was on its way was worth a penny, I'm not sure it's even worth addressing...
 
So please feel free if you're going to try and ridicule me for having the opportunity to visit those cool places and talk w/ the people who own them as well as pro musicians and all. They are pretty much the only people I know in real life nowadays as fate would have it. Obviously this doesn't give me one ounce of credibility as a musician or a mix engineer or as anything. I was dragged into it. I'm the first to admit that and trust me, I'm far from having such high esteem for myself, all the opposite.
 
But I'm referring to stuff I've actually seen first hand. And for those people, I have the utmost respect. Strangely enough, most of those folks respect me too. 
 
Anyway, you can consider them and myself idiots for buying Apple as much as you wish. And when you take a break from being so clever, feel free to list your accomplishments in the recording industry so that I can see why I should be taking what you say seriously more than what those people tell me and what I experience myself. Until then, if there is an idiot tax...
 
Why do those debates go wrong again? Ah, yeah - because some people can't help calling other names and mocking them and insulting them.

gswitz
I think leaving your first DAW might be like losing the one you lost your virginity to. It hurts, and you blame her... when really, you're just ready to take a spin with another.
 
Go spin! Unlike a jilted lover, Sonar will have you back if it doesn't work out with one of her sisters.

LOL...that was great.

Jim Roseberry

Rain
 
Whatever any one claims on the internet, the proof is in the pudding - the vast majority of the professional recording industry use Mac. One would have to be pretty stubborn to insist that none of those guys know anything about computers and that they just use what they've been told to use. Anyway, having met and talked w/ quite a few of them, I know that's b.s. 
 

I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before... but here goes  
 
The strength of a PC is that you *can* choose exactly what goes in it.
Mac and PC both use the same fundamental hardware (Intel CPUs paired with Intel chipset motherboards).
With a Mac, you get what Apple's board of directors deems best.
With a PC, if you know what you're doing, you can spec a machine that's superior to a Mac (component for component) for less money.
A PC can be upgraded anytime (typically a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM)... and you have essentially a new machine.
With a Mac, you wait for the new Mac Pro release.  This release lags behind the fastest available hardware.
If you compare a Mac Pro to a pre-configured Dell/HP, obviously the Mac Pro is a better machine.  Based on cost, it certainly should be.
 
[Tong-in-cheek style]
So... I'm to understand that nobody of significance in the "music industry" uses anything but Mac?
Rolling Stones record label big enough?
How about an engineer/A&R guy from Koch Entertainment in NY?
How about the most well respected mastering engineer in Nashville?
How about an engineer at the Recording Workshop here in OH (similar to Full Sail)?
 
You know... I often bump into younger folks who are into recording.
Usually happens at a computer store... or the local Guitar Center or Sam Ash
Almost without fail, they mention ProTools... trying to impress
Guess that means they're all professionals.   
 
Just this past weekend...
We take my Girlfriend's daughter to StarBucks at the local upscale mall.
The place is like a college library.  You could hear a pin drop.
All the hipsters had their MacBook Pros out... surfing the Internet... trying to look important.
Pretentious doesn't even begin to describe the atmosphere.
No different than when I was a kid in school... and you had to wear the "right" cloths.
OK, I'll say it... Mac is the iZod of computers.
It's the machine the "cool" people tell you to use.
 
When you get down to raw performance, Mac has nothing on a top-tier PC.
Logic Pro is the only major DAW app that doesn't run on a PC.
Apple is genius at two things:
-Packaging
-Marketing
 
All that said, there's nothing wrong with a Mac.
It's neither more/less prone to stability than a quality PC.
 
Something I personally can't stand:
Apple's totalitarian control over everything you do with your iPhone... via iTunes.
With my Galaxy S4 (replaced iPhone 4), I simply drag/drop the tunes I want via Windows Explorer.  So simple... and elegant.
No need for iTunes... and being constrained.  I'm in control...
 
So there you have it:

• Macs are for the cool kids
• PCs are for control freaks

Name calling and sarcasm. I honestly thought you were above this, Jim.
 
You guys really assume that any one who uses Apple is so disconnected from reality and dumb as crap to make such a statement that PC cannot be used? Or maybe I'm missing something - what in the name of Buddha would cause someone to try and insult people and exaggerate what they've said and turn it against them? 
 
I've never said no one of importance ran PC or that Mac was the only valid option. That's putting words in my mouth to make your point. And then going on to insult Mac users, for fun.
 
The people you meet at Guitar Center are probably the same as I do meet. Incidentally, I also meet an awful bunch of DJ/Producers using cracked copies of Fruity Loops on their PC. That doesn't say a thing against PC or against you and anyone who decides to use a PC. 
 
Just for a second, I want you to imagine the most stereotypical PC gamer you can - that fat guy in the Helloween t-shirt w/ acne problems who never talked to a girl in real life and has a poster of Xena the Warrior Princess on his wall...
 
Are YOU that guy because you use a PC and like to hot rod it? Didn't think so... 
 
Traveling w/ Cirque because of my wife and having spent the best of the last two years and a half w/ the guys, visiting studios and hanging around many of the productions, one thing I can tell you is that, as much as you and some guys like to insist that PC are so much more powerful and better, in all fairness, I see Mac's everywhere, all the time, running w/o a hitch. Listening to you guys, it's statistically impossible to achieve anything w/ such underpowered computers and Mac had nothing on top-tier PCs as you say.
 
And yet, there they are, running in mission critical mode night after night after night and day after day. I guess those people aren't addicted to upgrades and comparing performances. If it works, it works.
 
 

Mac is for Mac fans not for PC fans - PC's for PC fans and not Mac fans.
 
Problem solved!
 
No charge for my incredible insight 

I think a lot of the "Windows is difficult" goes back to XP and earlier systems. They needed a lot of maintenance. A modern OS, not so much.
 
I bought my system from reputable DAW specialist. Its delivered, I switch it on, install DAW and plug ins , connect my Quadcapture and Midi Keyboards and it works. It has 12 months on site warranty and cost much less than a lower spec Mac.
 
So far I have had only one crash with X2, and I am pretty sure that was due to a plug in.

By the way, I feel compelled to add that the most music-related work I've done for money in my life I've done back when I was using a PC. So it's not even likely that I'd try and tell people that it can't be done or that it isn't a capable platform.
 
Likewise, quite a few people that I've met who use Mac started out on a PC (actually, I seem to keep bumping into people who've used Cakewalk products for years, which is quite funny - I'd never met as many users before I jumped ships). 
 
Funnily enough, none of them bad mouth PCs or PC users, as much as they may prefer their platform of choice. I don't think I've heard anyone say that there should be an idiot tax on Windows or that PC users were fat ugly dorks or whatever. The old snobbish attitude that used to prevail 10-15 years ago is pretty much a thing of the past - actually, I often get the impression that it almost only lives on in the mind of some long time PC users.
 
The fact that some assume that Mac users necessarily look down on PCs altogether would explain why the insults and sarcasm show up so quickly.
 

rain, anecdotal stories have the fatal flaw of being unique to the person telling it.  I run across plenty of Mac snobs still.  One of my closest friends is that way even though she cannot for the life of her explain why "Mac is better". 

dubdisciple
rain, anecdotal stories have the fatal flaw of being unique to the person telling it.  I run across plenty of Mac snobs still.  One of my closest friends is that way even though she cannot for the life of her explain why "Mac is better". 

I don't want to be mean but I wouldn't take such people into account. It's a given that they don't bring anything to the table. 
 
I'm only referring to people articulate enough to tell me why they prefer Mac or why it's better for them. Because in most cases, they won't make such blank statements as "Mac is better". And there are plenty of them. They prefer a Mac but they don't discredit other options.
 
No doubts that there are such people who buy Mac because they've been told it's a must or it's trendy. Those people are everywhere. Stupid people are a given.