ugp
Who's to say they wouldn't do the same thing with X3... So for me I would like to see X2b before I put anymore money into Sonar Products (I actually just upgraded to X2 a couple of months ago... I should have waited longer)
p.s. I too have been using cakewalk products since the 12 tone days, will just have to see what comes before my money gets spent, here or somewhere else though in either case it will be a while

Apart from the X series Cakewalk have a really good track record at bug fixing IMHO. They have normally released a good few fixes before the next version. What's happening now is not 'normal'.

Maybe they are codding Sonar from scratch. Because Sonars base codes are pretty old so maybe some of the modern features need to be coded by different perception. I think they are coding for new V-vocal, Flex time algo, new audiosnap, etc. And they don't want to fix "old codes", they want to rewrite them. Of course these are just my guesses.  :D I am completely ignorant at programming. :)

Thats what I'm hoping for.

New code = a whole new wave of bugs!

You guys are dreaming lol ! 
 
Cake certainly is not reprogramming Sonar "from scratch"!  
That would be a recipe for disaster .. that would create way more bugs than there is now... ;)
 
Also that would be assuming that their previous coding work was not up to par, and did not deserved to get released in the first place... 
and that would annihilate months or years of testing, QA, troubleshooting...
 
Cheers! 
 
V

Jackdied
Maybe they are codding Sonar from scratch. Because Sonars base codes are pretty old so maybe some of the modern features need to be coded by different perception. I think they are coding for new V-vocal, Flex time algo, new audiosnap, etc. And they don't want to fix "old codes", they want to rewrite them. Of course these are just my guesses.  :D I am completely ignorant at programming. :)

sound like more than a $99 upgrade.

sharke
New code = a whole new wave of bugs!

yep, Like i said i would wait till at least X3b was out(if it ever came out) than checkout the forum thoroughly before spending money.

dorism

ugp
Who's to say they wouldn't do the same thing with X3... So for me I would like to see X2b before I put anymore money into Sonar Products (I actually just upgraded to X2 a couple of months ago... I should have waited longer)
p.s. I too have been using cakewalk products since the 12 tone days, will just have to see what comes before my money gets spent, here or somewhere else though in either case it will be a while

Apart from the X series Cakewalk have a really good track record at bug fixing IMHO. They have normally released a good few fixes before the next version. What's happening now is not 'normal'.

I know, this plus the other changes with the company, makes it all the worse IMHO.


If they would only say something about anything it would calm people down.
It is nice of people on the forum to offer help with things, but come on sending them more problems for them to add to their list of bugs??? without asking for an update or any news of...

bobguitkillerleft
Hi,Yeah,I read,and watched a vid of the new Logic X,and the drummer situation[silouettes of people as drummers!,with "names"!] with how it seems to work, looked quite interesting,and for $200 it does seems a pretty good deal,but no 32 bit plugs,64 bit AU only which seems a bit dumb,when Logic 9 64 bit had a bridge......they just decided to exclude it this time. 

Bob

$200 does seem like a very good price. But one thing that needs mentioning is that it appears that Apples new pricing scheme appears to offer no upgrade price. So it's a flat $200 for everybody. I actually like this. Lower the price across the board but its a flat fee for everyone. So it doesn't look like they will offer upgrade prices in the future. I have no idea if this is true. Just got the info from MacWeekly podcast. But they were speculating.

I always liked how Mesa Boogie did this flat pricing. It is what it is. No games being played like buying airline tickets.

I've upgraded from Logic 9 to 10 but other work has prevented me from giving it a good drive yet, but flex pitch looked good after a very quick play.  There is a lot to be positive about in Logic 10, but there is also a lot of great things in Sonar. Things come and go in waves and for a long time Sonar offered some features that other DAWs could only dream of.  'Maybe', Cake have hit a temporary trough, but whose to say that X2b (if it comes), X2.5 or X3 won't move Sonar ahead of the game again.  

WDI
$200 does seem like a very good price. But one thing that needs mentioning is that it appears that Apples new pricing scheme appears to offer no upgrade price. So it's a flat $200 for everybody. I actually like this.

Apple never made its fortunes on software - always the hardware. Their software was always sky-high priced, because they had a smaller market and a captive audience. Now that the middle man is gone, they can cut prices drastically. This helps seed more users into their hardware, and they can easily afford to subsidize things given the 30% idiot tax Apple places on it products produced by others that can only be sold at it's mandatory app market. No need for a huge ROI here - the bridge toll's got ya covered.


 

SuperG

bladetragic
Other than Pro Tools, Logic was the only other DAW that was in EVERY major studio I went to during my time there b/c they all had Macs. 

That's been a phenomenon among media professionals for a long time. It's always been a big part of Apple's marketing strategy to present its computers and software as something you don't need to be a computer expert for. Of course, that's all hogwash (Mac's aren't any brighter or easier to use than PC's), but the guy buying into Apple's schtick doesn't know that. The key is, once you get a critical mass going, others simply buy the same configuration, and the hell with other considerations.
 

I'm always surprised to see how technically inclined and geeky a lot of the professional musicians and studio owner I speak with are. I myself used to build my own PCs and even acted as basic tech support in the call centers where I worked. I now use Mac exclusively and my life in the studio has never been better.
 
Call it hogwash all you want, but I do find Mac much simpler to use. And I'm not alone. There's always this assumption that people buy Mac because they're a bit dumb and gullible, almost as if they weren't competent enough to figure out how PCs work or how much better they are. That is hogwash.
 
The only considerations that most of them don't care about is wasting time shopping around for components, testing them for compatibility, constantly hot rodding their machines and comparing specs.
 
Unlike many PC user, computers and computer maintenance are not one of their hobbies. They use it to get the job done and once it's done, they're off living a life, not testing how well their PC perform or playing World of Warcraft.
 
Whatever any one claims on the internet, the proof is in the pudding - the vast majority of the professional recording industry use Mac. One would have to be pretty stubborn to insist that none of those guys know anything about computers and that they just use what they've been told to use. Anyway, having met and talked w/ quite a few of them, I know that's b.s.