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2013/07/15 16:07:23
Jeff Evans
Some composers like to visualise the music and write it down that way. Others like to play their instruments and improvise. Both are valid starting points for composition.
 
It depends on how the final music is going to be created. Either from a live orchestra or a bunch of virtual and real instruments. What I find interesting is how a composer can work in a mode where they are only creating the music using notation. If you work only with notation you are putting the music in the most quantised way possible and you have a big job to add the feel in later. Recording an orchestra reading a well written part adds the feel in big time and quickly in one pass.
 
If you are converting notation over to great sounding midi tracks then you have some work to do.
 
What happened to being able to play the parts in live. Most great composers could play live the parts they were writing. If you can see the music you are writing and also be able to play the music there ends up being a deeper connection. For me as a drummer and keyboard player it is all about playing the stuff in live during the tracking process. It is very quick this way too. You can slow the midi tracks down to make it easier. The feel is created in the first instance. The midi data can be so easily edited. Parts of the data can be easily quantised if you want or other sections just left alone or tightened up or loosened up to suit the music. Slipping tracks (advancing) the tracks is also a good way to keep everything on time too. Using your ears.
 
I find it is easier to start with the live playing, quantise to suit and then look at the notation. It usually looks very accurate to me. You can adjust it to suit in places of the chart.
 
Danny the Bome Mouse keyboard software looks cool and quite interesting. I see how it could be used. I am not a big fan of that sort of control usually as I tend to prefer the keyboard itself as the better option for me. The drum pads on the M Audio Axiom 61 are handy for any velocity type data going in. Bit like the Akai MPC. If you play drums the Roland Octapad is an amazing device for inputting data too.
 
Another method I use for composing music is to play drums and sing or vocalise the musical ideas all live to a click. I have got headphones with a mic attached close to my mouth. I record the vocal mic onto a track as well as the drum parts. With care the drums can be recorded and not pick up the vocalisations I am doing. It is very fast way to capture/notate a melody and record some live drum tracks. Sounds weird but it can really work for me as another way to capture ideas.
 
 
 
2013/07/15 16:21:19
jsg
Guitarpima
@jsg - Please don't comment anything in my threads again. Personally, I don't believe you. I tried to lighten the mood with jokes that one who knows the components of music theory would understand. They seem to be lost on everyone.
 
la-di-da... Time to work on some my project some more.




You bet I won't.  I tried to help you with my first post.  I don't give a rat's ass if you believe me or not.  I have a busy, professional musical life outside of this forum and the last thing I need is to spend too much time here.   That's why in over 13 years I have fewer than 500 posts.
 
 
2013/07/15 20:48:25
Guitarpima
Yes yes jsg. I figured all that out. Your so smart and we're all so incapable.
 
 I don't know why all this started? All I was doing was a little venting because I had to figure the PRV out, again, and do the trial and error writing to get it to sound right. I have looked at the drum pad so I could do this but for the most part, I could write out anything I wanted to do. I've also looked at the V-drums, or the like, as well. Since I'm a low budget, it's trial and error.  
2013/07/20 12:11:31
chuckebaby
vintagevibe
Guitarpima
@jsg - Please don't comment anything in my threads again. Personally, I don't believe you. I tried to lighten the mood with jokes that one who knows the components of music theory would understand. They seem to be lost on everyone.
 
la-di-da... Time to work on some my project some more.




I wish this forum had an ignore list.


you can block people, problem is sometimes they have helpful things to share.
ive only blocked one person here on the forums, but a little to late ...lol  (just yesterday)
 
its tough to ignore anyone, but remember there are those on this forum who hunt for your posts just looking to mess with you. like they get a kick out of it.
(stalkers)
 
but as ive learned a little to late again, its an open forum and anyone can say what ever it is they want.
so im my case ive got no one to blame but myself.
 
if im not blocking them..    :)
 
2013/07/20 16:48:03
jb101
Come on, chuckle.. I've been pretty good since the tuning thread. I've not crowed, or commented on the fact that you were still deliberately misquoting my name, even in your apology.

Think, if you had blocked me earlier, you'd still be tuning your guitars flat/sharp. It's not me that made you look a fool.

Grow up chuck, and loose the persecution complex.
2013/07/20 17:29:19
Guitarpima
Enough already. Everyone says things they wish they could take back. That's part of life. I'm sure jsg was just trying to help but I did not need it and he kept going "I did this, I did that" which is off putting.
 
Charlie and I had a brief bout but all is fine as it's no use hanging on to stuff better left in the past. Nobody is perfect. Least of all, me.
2013/07/20 17:50:49
bapu
jsg
That's why in over 13 years I have fewer than 500 posts.

 

 

2013/07/20 19:42:54
chuckebaby
Guitarpima
Enough already. Everyone says things they wish they could take back. That's part of life. I'm sure jsg was just trying to help but I did not need it and he kept going "I did this, I did that" which is off putting.
 
Charlie and I had a brief bout but all is fine as it's no use hanging on to stuff better left in the past. Nobody is perfect. Least of all, me.


well said man,
we can only control our own actions and take responsibility for our own choices.
it's a little too much having to worry about anyone else  :)
 
just take the good of this forum like I do and enjoy it.
there is a lot of good people here. most important, there's a lot of cool things to learn from the people here.
 
I appreciate the words man.
and like I said "there are those on this forum who hunt for your posts just looking to mess with you."
(as you can see)
but I just realized blocking them works pretty good, because even though you can see they have made a post, you cant actually see what they have posted.
 
this way you don't even need to bother :)
 
good luck
2013/07/22 02:08:41
chuckebaby
jb101
Come on, chuckle.. I've been pretty good since the tuning thread. I've not crowed, or commented on the fact that you were still deliberately misquoting my name, even in your apology.

Think, if you had blocked me earlier, you'd still be tuning your guitars flat/sharp. It's not me that made you look a fool.

Grow up chuck, and loose the persecution complex.

I suppose I had this coming to me, your right. I probably do need to grow up a little, well maybe even more than a little, a lot.
I mean im a grown man.
I should be learning rather than trying to argue my points.
im sorry jb, not just for that thread about tuning, which I should thank you for.
but i was a fool to come here and comment on this thread, so I deserve the grow up thing. yes I do.
truth is im having a difficult time blocking you, because your a smart person and have a lot to offer, things I can learn.
so how can I be that ignorant to push away good advise even if your not giving me that advise ? I cant.
 
even at the times you seemed irritating, I still thought you were being somewhat logical, and comical at times, which is basically how I am as well.
what im trying to say is, you and I may not be to far off from being a lot like each other believe it or not.
 
I probably should have wrote this on the other thread when I was wrong but the wounds were a little fresh and I was ashamed of my ignorance to knowledge, something I try to strive for.
so I probably should have just said it then.
I am sorry.
 
in the future, if you don't agree with me, that's okay, if you think what im saying is ridicules, that's okay too, because at times, it is..lol
 
hope you accept my apology.
 
2013/07/22 22:11:26
pbognar
Guitarpima
Yes yes jsg. I figured all that out. Your so smart and we're all so incapable.
 
 I don't know why all this started? All I was doing was a little venting because I had to figure the PRV out, again, and do the trial and error writing to get it to sound right. I have looked at the drum pad so I could do this but for the most part, I could write out anything I wanted to do. I've also looked at the V-drums, or the like, as well. Since I'm a low budget, it's trial and error.  




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