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  • How to apply Reverb or EQ FXs to a midi track? (p.3)
2013/06/23 22:41:32
rabeach
Scook told you what to do above. I do not have that synth anymore but if it has multiple outputs you can do what you want in Sonar. When you insert the synth Instead of selecting "first synth audio out" select "all synths audio out stereo" or  "all synths audio out mono" then you will need to route your individual instruments to one of the several created audio outs. Then you can put whatever effect on whatever instrument you want because each will be routed to their own audio track. 
 
edit....okay i type slow both John and Scook got you covered
2013/06/24 06:03:59
twaddle
Edirol orchestral has 4 outputs and looks almost identical in it's configuration page to TTS-1 as you can see
here Edirol Orchstral
 
I think Alpha said he had miroslav philarmonik which is much better option to edirol and like kontakt it gives you
a choice of either 16 stereo or 32 mono outputs so you have much scope should you need it.
 
As has been stated by all of us here alpha, you need to be able to differentiate between midi and audio tracks, what they look like and how they are used. Audio effects can not be used in a midi track, midi is nothing more than data and whilst there is a small collection on midi plug ins they are not truly effects.Orchestral and philarmonik both have included
effects but they are applied to the audio signal that is being generated and then output into sonar X2.
 
Midi tracks have a hardware style 5 pin midi plug in (or din plug) and audio tracks have a wave but, audio tracks that are assigned to a soft synth will have an icon with both and din plug and a keyboard picture to indicate their status.
 
I think as a self confessed new comer you should spend as much time as you can watching the many sonar tutorials that can be found on youtube and here at the Sonar University.
 
Youtube has some great tutorials from members of this very forum such as chuckebaby & fastbikerboy.
 
Steve
 
 
 
2013/06/24 09:21:32
alpha8768
Ok guys now I'm starting to get it! I followed all of your instructions (select all synth audio outs stereo-> Link them to whatever channel the instrument is assigned to) and the link should "in theory" work. Here's a visual example for the first audio track:
 
 
(Just zoom in if you can't see the details. It's on a 15.6 inch 1080p laptop screen...)
 
However, the I'm pretty sure the following question will look dumb to you guys: When I select a track and I press a key on my keyboard, am I supposed to hear anything? Because I'm not x). If you ask me, it should, because I can clearly see a keyboard picture on each track.
 
And once again, thanks a lot for your time. You are what makes the cakewalk community so nice.
2013/06/24 09:33:54
scook
If the input echo is on you should hear audio. You really need to spend some time with the tutorials at linked at the top of this page and the videos at Cake TV especially the Get Started section
2013/06/24 10:03:35
vanblah
When you are working with multi-channel instruments like orchestras you have to set up several things.  You've already got the "all outputs" set up.  You also need to create a midi track for each instrument and you also need to assign midi channels for each instrument.  Sonar only creates one midi track even though it creates all of the audio outputs for each instrument.
 
Let's say you have a string quartet set up in Miroslav.  You might have 1st violin on stereo channels 1and2, 2nd violin on 3and4,  viola on 5and6, cello on 7and8.  Now you have to set which midi channel each instrument will respond to.   So, in Miroslav, you assign 1st violin to respond to midi channel 1, 2nd violin to midi channel 2, viola to midi channel 3, and cello to midi channel 4.  In Sonar, you set the midi output for each midi track to the corresponding input for each instrument.
 
For each instrument that you are working on you want input echo on while you are working on it.
 
It can get confusing I know but once you do it a couple of times it becomes a little clearer.
2013/06/24 11:32:43
Cactus Music
As said those tracks are your audio outputs, to hear anything you need to direct a MIDI track to that ouput and put the input echo on ( pink). Your getting very close. 
2013/06/24 11:59:39
alpha8768
Wow. I finally got out of the jungle. Sometimes I tell myself: "It would be MUCH simpler to bounce the Midi Track to an Audio Track!" Maybe. But that's not how professionals work. Now I'll need to learn how to keep it clean in order to work with all those tracks... If you guys have any personal tips on this, feel free to share.
 
Otherwise, my "problem" is now solved. Kudos to all of you for your help and contribution to this thread.
2013/06/24 16:19:49
twaddle
I have philarmonik Alpha so if you like I could make you a template with an assortment of tracks routed for you.
When you select out puts to stereo (or mono) in the, "load syth options" you then have to do thenext stage of your routing from within
your instrument (in this case philarmonik)
It's the same within all synths. You can test it out by loading session drummer 3 (using the, "all synth outputs to stereo) and loading up a kit,
now go to the mixer page and rout the kick, snare, hats tom and so on to tracks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and so on.
If you then go to the console view and click on the snare in session drummer you will see the audio signal being routed to the assigned tracks in sonars console.
This is how it is with philarmonik and pretty much all syths that offer multi outputs.
 
I get round to a template sometime toward the end of the week if you feel the need.
 
Steve
2013/06/24 16:49:46
alpha8768
twaddle
I have philarmonik Alpha so if you like I could make you a template with an assortment of tracks routed for you.
When you select out puts to stereo (or mono) in the, "load syth options" you then have to do thenext stage of your routing from within
your instrument (in this case philarmonik)
It's the same within all synths. You can test it out by loading session drummer 3 (using the, "all synth outputs to stereo) and loading up a kit,
now go to the mixer page and rout the kick, snare, hats tom and so on to tracks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and so on.
If you then go to the console view and click on the snare in session drummer you will see the audio signal being routed to the assigned tracks in sonars console.
This is how it is with philarmonik and pretty much all syths that offer multi outputs.
 
I get round to a template sometime toward the end of the week if you feel the need.
 
Steve


This would be very nice, just to see the thing from someone else's perspective. Take your time and when you're ready, just send me a PM.
2013/07/11 19:02:50
twaddle
This would be very nice, just to see the thing from someone else's perspective. Take your time and when you're ready, just send me a PM.


 
Hey Alpha
Sorry for the delay but have kind of half made a template so if you haven't already worked it out you can have a look at mine.
It's only five tracks that I've assigned and I've left it to you to add effects from sonar if you wish.
I just used the ones within philharmonik.
 
You should be able to download it from here
 
http://www.mediafire.com/...ARMONIK_TEMPLATE_2.cwt
 
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