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2013/07/04 18:56:07
zeidbitar
Dear all, there is no way to see the high notes unless you create a false midi track before the track you actually need, then choose both tracks for staff view. now you can see your aquired midi track pushed down in the view which will let you see the notes.
 
Good luck,
 
 
Zeid
2013/07/04 20:05:35
larrymcg
Zeid, Brilliant suggestion.  Now I can see all the notes.  Editing (adding notes) in the high range is still messy.  At some point the notes are named and inserted relative to the dummy track.  It is possible to add a note in a lower range and then right click it and change its properties to be a higher note. 
 
In any case, what I really wanted was to be able to see the existing note.
 
Thanks,
Larry
 
2013/07/04 20:26:18
jsg
larrymcg
I have some midi piano tracks with some high notes in them.  When displayed in the Staff View those notes are not displayed (they are above the top edge of the staff view window).  You can't scroll them into view.  Making the window taller does not help.  About the highest note that can be displayed is a C8 (that's C 3 octaves above middle C or 2 octaves above the C in the treble cleff staff).

Is there a way to move the staff down so that the high notes are displayed?

--Larry



The workaround (without having to create a dummy midi track above it) is to open the event list and you can edit the note's properties from there. 
 
JG
2013/07/04 22:53:28
Guitarpima
If your wanting to edit scores like this your best option is to use another notation program. Finale and Sibelius are 2 of the most notable notation programs. Otherwise, your left with editing the higher parts in the PRV. (piano roll view)
2013/07/05 00:20:34
WDI
Guitarpima
If your wanting to edit scores like this your best option is to use another notation program. Finale and Sibelius are 2 of the most notable notation programs. Otherwise, your left with editing the higher parts in the PRV. (piano roll view)


Or maybe Cubase, Logic or Protools?

Uh Oh...
:p

I know, I'm a trouble maker.
2013/07/05 00:21:35
soens
"Out of Sight"???  That's like... Far Out, Man!
 
...and groovy, too.
 
Staff View has some serious limitations as it is really intended for reference only, not serious note building.
 
Steve
2013/07/05 00:31:16
WDI
soens
"Out of Sight"???  That's like... Far Out, Man! ...and groovy, too. Staff View has some serious limitations as it is really intended for reference only, not serious note building. Steve


Really? They sure did go through a lot of trouble making it possible to add notes then. I think the intention was to create midi parts by using staff view.
2013/07/05 00:37:43
soens
...as it is really mostly intended for reference only, not serious note building.
 
(fixed!)
2013/07/05 01:10:14
vmw
soens
...as it is really mostly intended for reference only, not serious note building.
 
(fixed!)


How do you know its intended for reference and what is serious note building? All we have been requesting since the dawn of the universe is a functional staff view. 
 
There are a number of people who argue this is a DAW and not notation software. Well if we consider just 2 of the competitors in the "DAW" field we find in Pro Tools 11 you can compose music using notation tools in the built-in Sibelius Score Editor.
Also have a look at the Compose feature in Cubase
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cubase/what_you_get.html
 
Now if Pro Tools the so called industry standard DAW can have a useful notation function built into it, I say DAWs do have notation scoring included.
2013/07/05 01:19:08
jsg
WDI
soens
"Out of Sight"???  That's like... Far Out, Man! ...and groovy, too. Staff View has some serious limitations as it is really intended for reference only, not serious note building. Steve


Really? They sure did go through a lot of trouble making it possible to add notes then. I think the intention was to create midi parts by using staff view.



You are correct.  Many people on this forum either do not use the staff view or do not understand what it is for:  It is for inputting and editing MIDI data--it is NOT a notation program such as Sibelius is.  I've created 8 symphonies and 12 albums using the staff view.  It is highly functional IF you have a mastery of counterpoint, voice-leading, harmony and orchestration.   Is it as good as it can be?  Of course it is not.  No DAW has a staff view that is comparable to a pro notation program but that isn't it's purpose.  But for what it allows a knowledgeable composer to do, which is create compositions that can be played back by digital instruments, the staff view is quite functional.
 
JG
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