• SONAR
  • Very Bad Feeling about Cakewalk. (p.14)
2013/07/02 01:01:07
robert_e_bone
I use X2a for all kinds of midi, and some audio.  I have not crashed X2a since I installed it.
 
My specs are below.
 
There are bugs that cause me to do things differently then I would like, but none of the bugs I deal with are show stoppers, and none of them are causing any kinds of crashes for me.
 
I run only 64-bit plugins, and use a Presonus AudioBox 1818VSL.
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/07/02 02:19:31
Saxon1066
cityrat
>>yeah, the silence is starting to remind me of the silence before the death of Project 5
 
That was my feeling as well.  I just recently bought X2 after having been away from it since P5 death. 
 
While I have been working well with Sonar X2, and I like the software and what it can do for me -  I don't like the silence from management.  It is eerily similar to the complete news blackout before the death of P5. 


Why would Roland/Cakewalk update the forum software just before killing Sonar?
2013/07/02 05:36:28
HeatherHaze
ubuntu
Where I come from the customer is ALWAYS right!

 
Don't get me wrong, that's a great philosophy.  But from a strictly practical viewpoint, the customer is rarely right.  Usually, the customer is an idiot.  Seriously.  But when you're in customer service, you never want to make them feel that way.  Thus..."the customer is always right".  But really, they're probably not.  
 
Just sayin'.  
2013/07/02 06:53:02
Mr. torture
I like Sonar for what it is, an affordable easy to use DAW. It has it's glitches, even with the minimal things I do. If I was running a business, I would be on Pro tools. I wouldn't take chances with any other system. Maybe some here think that's dumb, or will list me a million problems pro tools has had. But it's still the studio standard for a reason.
2013/07/02 08:19:05
ston
The grass can often look greener...
 
A month or so ago I had a week's holiday and during that time I trialled every single piece of PC DAW s/w out there that I could get my hands on (you name it, I gave it a try; presonus, cubase, reaper, fl studio, protools, renoise, acid, mixcraft, motu, mulab, samplitude, reason, ableton...) I was genuinely interested in seeing whether there was another DAW which perhaps suited me better than Sonar.
 
The major omission was ofc Logic (can you imagine how you'd have felt as a customer if you'd supported that on PC for years and years?!)
 
As a bit of background, I originally used Cubase for years, since the Atari days (FYI I paid £599 for a second hand version of Cubase 2 back in the 80's and supported Steinberg up to and including until Cubase SL).  I finally got sick and tired of Steinberg failing to fix bug after bug after bug, forcing customers to effectively pay for bug fixes in the guise of software version updates, often to find the same bugs still in existence (alongside new ones).  In addition, I found the Steinberg forums to be a terrible experience, one of the worst examples of people slagging each other and the company off that I've ever seen.
 
So back to the trial...  Of all the DAWs I tried, the only one that felt different and refreshing and exciting to me was FL Studio.  I much preferred Sonar to all of the others, despite its flaws and shortcomings.  The layout, clarity and workflow just seemed far superior.  Funnily enough, doing that did lead me to re-installing Cubase SL, I preferred it to 7 :-D  I think once money allows I will buy FL Studio too; as well as being a great piece of music software, you get free updates for life.  That is one helluva selling point.
 
There are aspects of Sonar which really make me grind my teeth in frustration, but I hope that Cakewalk irons out these problems as it is a well designed piece of software and has the potential to be great.
2013/07/02 08:52:38
lawp
wetdentist
yeah, the silence is starting to remind me of the silence before the death of Project 5 & NI's Kore
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2013/07/02 09:02:33
Grem
I also have tried other DAWs. I own Studio One and Reaper. I do know my way around both programs but still prefer Sonar. Studio One gets used rarely anymore. Reaper I still use when I work with some friends.

Sonar does what I want. And I feel I'm getting a great deal for the price. When I started doing this in the late '70s with equipment I had to borrow, I never dreamed I would be able to do what I'm doing in my home for the price I'm paying. Call me what you want, I'm satisfied as hell.
2013/07/02 09:14:36
trimph1
One thing..are the bakers busy porting X2 to Macs now?
2013/07/02 09:22:11
Shambler
HeatherHaze
  But the responses from Andrew and Ryan have more than satisfied me that our concerns have been heard, loud and clear.
 
I freely admit I'm a big fan of Cakewalk.  But there's a reason for that.  It's not just blind loyalty.



I think a response was what most people wanted...I would love to see more presence from Cake in the forums myself.
 
I support Andrew's methodology of gathering evidence of problems using an official pipeline and not using the forum , being an engineer myself I know how important it is to have a structured fact-based approach to problem solving.
 
I'm really happy with X2, it suits the way I work, it is simple yet powerful.
 
 If you jump ship all you will find is you end up with another DAW with different problems. You will try to convince yourself you made the right choice because you will have just spent several £100's.
 
The fact is that the vast majority of X2 owners are very happy and having a productive and rewarding experience.
 
 
2013/07/02 09:22:16
lawp
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
mike_mccue"Just to be clear, there are many more customers who love SONAR X2. Our survey results expressed that very fact." Is that the survey that was limited to a survey set of people who loved X2 before it asked them how they liked it? What happens to the hopes and aspirations of the long time customers whom have spent a couple thousand dollars with Cakewalk but didn't buy X2? What happens to the opinions of people that didn't like X2 enough to pay for it? Trash can?  best regards,mike  


A survey that sets out to answer the questions of how satisfied you are with SONAR X2 would only be limited to SONAR X2 customers. We have surveyed other groups asking how they liked X1 and why they haven't upgraded. 
I never received that survey
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