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2013/06/23 18:28:59
M_Glenn_M
Hmmm. Is that not what the magic (PC76-U) Dry/Wet knob is doing?
(I'm determined to "get" this)
Making an extra signal and adding the effect back in depending on wet?
2013/06/23 18:36:08
konradh
Glenn, It sounds like something went wrong during recording.  I am guessing from the post that you don't have the option of redoing it, which is a shame.
 
A well-recorded vocal with the fader at the right level should be intelligible without compression, and the compression should just help it "jump out" more.  I am sorry you are having such trouble with this track.
 
I am a strange-sounding singer and in no danger of winning American Idol, but I sing at a very consistent level and stay in place in front of the mic.  I get frustrated with singers who drop parts of words, or who can't control their levels.  My pet peeve is when pick-up notes are not actually notes, but just some kind of sound with a word attached. Melodyne can't fix that.
 
SPEAKING OF MELODYNE...maybe that will help you.  I use it a lot to even out levels as needed.
 
Good luck, my friend.
2013/06/23 19:09:39
AT
Glenn,
 
yep.  Get extreme compression going using all wet and then back off into dry and see if that works for you.  It may take a couple of tries to get the right comp sound.
 
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2013/06/23 19:18:15
M_Glenn_M
Thanks guys.
Lol Konrad It's MY vox so I have no-one to blame. I can redo it of course and maybe should, but I get into a learning/experience mode where I tell myself it's a good exercise to be able to fix a crappy take.
I do have many years of live band vocal experience but screaming into a sm58 is different from the pristine takes in recordings.
Expectations are higher too and I'm definitely a lot fussier as I progress here.
Melodyne is certainly on the list. I've heard lots of great things.
 
AT, that's what I'm settling into now and it's working pretty well, Thanks
2013/06/23 20:30:24
sharke
Beepster
Sorry for incessant posting (it's hot and I guess I'm bored) but I just had a cool idea. I think I'm going to try using a parallel type set up with TH2. Like for example have a cleanish guitar tone and sends to a bus with a distorted tone and maybe another with some freaky phaser or harmonizers going on and automate the sends to blend in and out of the effects. Might be cool. I think if I put the sends pre fader too then I could raise and lower the clean track as well and still get the effected sounds.
 
hmmm...




Try it with bass guitar. Send a little of the clean bass into a bus with distortion on it. Really fattens it up and brings it out of the mix. 
2013/06/24 00:20:16
bapu
M_Glenn_M
but screaming into a sm58 is different from the pristine takes in recordings.

 
Not for me. They're both [link=mailto:cr@p]cr@p[/link]. Ask Mooch.
2013/06/24 01:21:24
M_Glenn_M
Lol,  we do what we can.
2013/06/24 09:13:33
meh
Side Chaining is a cool technique....Great article by Bill
Sidechaining in SONAR
By Bill Jackson
Sidechaining is a mixing technique that allows you to have one plug-in affect the track or bus it's inserted on based upon another signal's properties.
http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013049
2013/06/24 09:17:35
Beepster
sharke
Beepster
Sorry for incessant posting (it's hot and I guess I'm bored) but I just had a cool idea. I think I'm going to try using a parallel type set up with TH2. Like for example have a cleanish guitar tone and sends to a bus with a distorted tone and maybe another with some freaky phaser or harmonizers going on and automate the sends to blend in and out of the effects. Might be cool. I think if I put the sends pre fader too then I could raise and lower the clean track as well and still get the effected sounds.
 
hmmm...




Try it with bass guitar. Send a little of the clean bass into a bus with distortion on it. Really fattens it up and brings it out of the mix. 
 
 




I've been using the triple cloned bass track method (with one overdriven) but I will give that a try. Thanks.
2013/06/24 09:24:05
Spencer
just throwing that out there, since we're on the subject and it could help some- if you can't seem to get the result you want with standard NY compression using the wet-dry knob, it's quite likely that your material is too mid-heavy for it to work properly and you could try using the bus method and inserting a notch filter or eq before the NY comp and taking out some of those mids until it sounds more balanced.
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