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  • Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme
2015/02/19 17:41:31
SonicFan
I'm not sure why my other topic was locked here, but since I never had any intention of demeaning anyone or starting arguments, then please do not lock this topic.  It is in the proper area of the forum since these are songs I wish to share.  I'm not in the mood to go out into the world, learn music theory, and pursue a career in composing just yet.  I will only do so when I have my full pleasure back in life.  Therefore, I have made my "final words" here as a composer by sharing to you these songs I have made now despite my lack of musical knowledge and skill.  Also, I might of appeared to be bothering others, but that was not my intention at all.  I am just simply the cool calm intellectual type of person who explains even the most emotionally dramatic things in a cool calm mature intellectual manner.
 
Now I am a good person once you get to know me. All I want to do now is to just share my musical ideas anyway. I am taking the advice others have given me and will pursuing my dream in being a composer later on in life when or if I ever get my full pleasure back. However, it will be an awfully long time before I have acquired all the necessary knowledge and experience I need to perfect these tunes and songs I hear in my head. Therefore, this is the reason why I wish to share my music as it is now. 
 
Therefore, please do not have any more scorn/lock this topic as I now present to you this latest song I have made. I am now going to explain it. Again, you are free to give whatever personal opinions you want on it (even criticism) and I will only say to your criticism in return something such as that we will never know just yet if these compositions I have made in my head are anything truly great or not. Only when the emotion of my compositions gets across to you through correction of these technical flaws will we know for sure whether my songs convey great emotion or not. So I am now going to explain and present these songs to you.
 
Although I don't have any knowledge or experience when it comes to music and composing, I at least have a profound musical perception and can come up with great tunes in my head. There is this one particular tune I have created in my head and I have tried my best to translate the notes from what I hear in my head. Now what you are about to hear might be nowhere near perfect and might very well have some flaws, but I hope that you might hear this song just like how I hear it. In other words, I hope that this song and its intended feel gets across to you anyway. If it somehow doesn't, then this would obviously mean that there are technical flaws with the song that are preventing its feel from getting across to you. But once these flaws are all corrected when I have the necessary knowledge and experience to do so, then hopefully this song's feel will get across to you.
 
Therefore, here is this new song. It has a feeling of strong heroic passion which I think suits the Twilight Princess version of Link perfectly. Now when I say passion, I do not mean feelings of love. I instead mean a strong desire to protect someone. This song expresses Link having a powerful desire to save someone whose life is in danger. Which is why I have used my song for this scene with Link saving Colin since his life is in danger. The melody itself conveys this feeling. Although I do hear a choir singing this melody in my head, the choir and instruments I have chosen are not the ones I hear in my head since I do not have the musical skills yet to create/find the instruments/choirs I need.
 
You hear the melody play soft and at a higher octave. This creates a leading feel into a powerful passionate heroic feel as the choir then sings louder at a lower octave. Also, I think the long held notes are supposed to slowly slightly rise in pitch over time (I'm not sure). Or there is supposed to be some phaser effect at the end of those long held notes in order to lead into the next portion of the melody. But I have left those notes the way they are since I do not have the musical knowledge and experience to perfect this song yet.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBHLpyFO7Q8
 
Now here is one more song for Link. It starts off with that same heroic tune. However, it conveys a different feeling since the notes are a bit different and it plays at a faster speed. This feeling still expresses Link in a heroic way. However, it expresses a heroic feeling that Link is on his way to engage in action in defeating a bunch of enemies. This tune then leads into a different tune which is an all-out epic motivational heroic tune which expresses Link engaging in action and defeating enemies. This tune plays one more time with the other tune at a higher octave. This other tune being at a higher octave with the epic tune expresses a feeling of climax. After which, this tune plays again at the normal octave to express a closing feel in which the enemies have been defeated and Link sheathes his sword.
 
Now I am no expert at all when it comes to giving lyrics to songs. However, I do feel strongly that the word "destiny" would fit at the end of the all-out epic tune. It would fit the last 3 notes of that epic tune. I have presented these individual notes here in quotations. Those 3 notes would say "dest" "in" "y."
 
So here it is. I have used it for this scene with Link using his final smash:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJdtMS92t-g
 
Now here is one more version of this epic theme for Link. The absolute version of this song I hear in my head I think has a whole bunch of little notes that play in it. But even though I have tried my best to translate that, I don't think it turned out too well. It did not turn out well like the version in that youtube link above. But here it is anyway:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EquuRrXrglQ
2015/02/19 18:07:26
kakku
I understand you don't have much music education or playing or composing experience but I must say that these works sound pretty similar. There is a melody in your work so maybe some time later you can develop your idea a bit further and maybe the result could be used in a game. But infringing copyright is not nice and will probably not get you many points in this place.
2015/02/19 18:50:09
SonicFan
First off, I wish to know right here and now what you personally thought and felt about the conveyed emotion in that heroic passion theme as well as the epic theme. I wish to know right here and now if it truly is something great in terms of its emotion.
2015/02/19 19:17:50
kakku
Well I did not feel much but I am not a very emotional guy and it is not easy to me to talk about feelings so you should probably ask somebody who is a bit more emotional and is good with words.
2015/02/19 23:34:16
drma173
Hey dont mean to sound like a jerk. But when posting for reviews try to keep it short and simple straight to the point
I think it sound to empty
2015/02/20 04:00:24
jamesg1213
SonicFan
First off, I wish to know right here and now what you personally thought and felt about the conveyed emotion in that heroic passion theme as well as the epic theme. I wish to know right here and now if it truly is something great in terms of its emotion.




Honestly, no.
 
It's a rudimentary melody, pretty enough, but quite sterile emotionally. The two pieces I listened to were almost identical.
2015/02/20 10:55:35
davdud101
I'd have to agree, SonicFan. I feel there isn't a lot to grab me only because of the overall lack of fullness instrumentally. Perhaps fill it out, add some percussion to give a pulse, add some sort of 'bass' to imply the chords a bit better (if it's chordal) and I think you'll be much further on your way here.
2015/03/03 10:54:58
SonicFan
I know I said before that I was convinced that compositions cannot get across to anyone in terms of other people perceiving their emotion and how they are supposed to go in terms of their melodies and such providing that these compositions are flawed (imperfected), but I am only something like 80% convinced of that. Yes, I am going to study up on music theory all I can in order to perfect my compositions later in the future so that other people can finally understand their emotion and how they go. But surely if you sing a song you have made at least sufficiently accurate, then that song should get across to another person even despite its flaws. It wouldn't have to be perfect. It just needs to be sung accurately enough for the other person to "get it." I mean, my own family has gotten some of my melodies/songs since they sing them and they sing them correctly. So this is why I am thinking other people should get it as well.
 
It doesn't matter if it is a person singing "dos" into a microphone or anything else. As long as the person perceives the melodies and is able to derive the emotion that the melodies themselves convey independent of all the other lacking musical elements such as the right instruments and such, then that is all that is needed. It's just the melodies themselves that matter. For example, I can have all the greatest sounding instruments in the world and play some melody/song with it. But as long as that melody or song is nothing good and doesn't convey emotion, then the song no longer matters even despite all those great instruments that were playing it. Therefore, it's just the emotion that is conveyed from the notes themselves that matter. Yes, adding the right instruments to that melody will definitely bring out its emotion even more. But as long as the person perceives the emotion in the melody to begin with, then instruments can come later to bring out that emotion even more later on. It's just the melodies that matter now.
 
So that's what I'm going to do here in the meantime in this topic while also studying up on music theory and such as well which is that I am going to present to you these new songs I have sung because even my singing now is more accurate than what I did before which was just placing notes and adding instruments to them. In the past, I was unable to translate what I heard in my head. However, that ability has improved over time. But it is still nowhere near perfect. But hopefully it is enough now to the point where you might be able to perceive the melodies in my songs and the emotions they convey.
 
Therefore, I will start off with this new song I made.  This is supposed to be a song that conveys an intense sad/moving feel.  It is gospel because the sung lyrical version of this song you hear later in the video has a gospel man choir and a gospel women choir singing the lyrics.  Again, I could only sing it with my voice since it is a song I have made in my head and not a fully produced song yet.  Also, songs usually start off with a settled feel and build their way up to the most emotionally intense part.  This emotionally intense part is what I would call the main motive of a song.  Right before the main motive, there is usually something right before them that leads into them.  Therefore, what you hear in my song is just that.  You hear the leading part and then the most intense part.  So this is not a full song yet.  It is just an example of my song.
 
The lyrical part in my song that has the lyrics "With my mind I open up a whole new world of symphony," that is the leading part of the song.  This part of the song has a gospel male choir singing it.  Then the lyrical part of the song that sings "Rise up you're going down," this is the most intense part of the song and has a gospel women choir singing it (although it is supposed to be sung more intense.  But I could only sing it at the intensity level that it is in this video since me singing it any more intense might of made it technically flawed).  This song is supposed to convey a sad/moving scene.  This scene would be someone special leaving.  It has a settled feel at first with the other person saying "Please don't leave me."  And then when that person leaves, it then goes into a sad/moving intense feel in which the other person bursts into tears.
 
I first sing the instrumental of the song with "bums" to give you an idea of how it goes.  Then I sing the lyrical version.  I am thinking the sung lyrical version might be more accurate than the instrumental (though I am not sure).  Therefore, here is this new song I made to start you off.  After you listen to it, please just talk about this song in terms of how it felt to you and nothing more since emotions in music are the only things that matter to me.  Then after you have listened to it and have gave your opinions on it, then I will also post more of my other recent songs that I have tried my best to sing as well:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wIyUqZ1DZc
 
In conclusion, I would like to say here that my song is, in a way, similar to the song "Raisin' Me Up" from the videogame Sonic Rush. I think it has the same male and women choir that sings my song as well:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMUbRCpPedc
 
 
 
 
2015/03/03 11:17:59
davdud101
Well SonicFan, I read bit there, and I think it's difficult to simply say that people should automatically feel emotion in a melody independently. Think of two compositions like the following:
 
John Coltrane - Giant Steps
Q-Tip - Let's Ride (instrumental)
 
Take note that these are theoretically the SAME 'melody', but faaar different feel. I think that (in popular songwriting styles) it really is what backs up and supports the melody that defines the overall feel of the song.
My mind personally works a lot better in terms of chords, I LOVE chords and when I hear chords backing a melody, it gives me a lot more insight into what the composer is trying to convey.
A good melody can show emotion, but for me, the feel, mood, what EVER, is put into context by the supporting elements.
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