• SONAR
  • Re-amping question
2013/06/13 08:41:42
revnice1
I have a clean guitar on track 1 and I want to take the signal out of the MOTU Traveler interface and put it into the front panel of the Roland GP-100 - then record the result on track 2. Any reason I can't do that?
 
I know there will be more latency than usual but I can always move the clip back.
 
Thanks - rev
2013/06/13 08:52:13
The Maillard Reaction
Just be aware that the signal coming out of your MOTU that is going to the guitar amp is RED HOT... so turn it down all the way and gently pull it up while listening.
 
There are impedance bridge issues that you might worry about... but the answer to your question is that it will work as long as you turn it down enough to keep from scaring yourself out of the room.
 
best regards,
mike
2013/06/13 08:53:00
scook
As long an you have enough ports on your interface, loops like the one you describe are not a problem. Depending on your version of SONAR, the External Insert plug-in makes the process even easier.
2013/06/13 08:54:21
revnice1
>signal coming out of your MOTU that is going to the guitar amp is RED HOT
Surely not. I don't mean the output to the monitor speakers, just one of the line level outs. 
 
Skook: I never thought of using the External Device loop, good idea!
2013/06/13 09:11:54
The Maillard Reaction
OK
2013/06/13 09:17:49
revnice1
Mike: OK what? :)
2013/06/13 09:24:58
The Maillard Reaction
OK, let us know how it goes.
 
:-)
2013/06/13 09:29:20
scook
From the original question, it appears that the signal is just going through an effects unit. Signal strength should not be a problem. Use the unit like you normally would.
2013/06/13 09:45:23
The Maillard Reaction
Signal strength will not be a problem... they'll be plenty of it. :-)
 
SONAR's external insert feature woks ok with analog gear because, well... it's not neccesary.
 
SONAR's basic DC will sync up an analog round trip REAMP process... it is no different than any other overdub.
 
With a digital processor, such as we are speaking of... SONAR's external insert feature might work. It is the latency in the outboard digital processor that needs to be compensated for.
 
In a real world... the latency that a digital processor exhibits is usually conditional to the task the digital processor is working on.
 
SONAR only measures one instance and then when the latency on the external digital processor changes you are in the weeds.
 
It's just another half baked... not really thought through, doesn't really work as you need it to, bullet point feature that frustrates long time Cakewalk customers. The problem is caused by a condition outside SONAR but the solution is inside SONAR. It's not addressed very often, and so most folks are left to discover for themselves that they are arbitrarily out of sync and still have to resort to manual alignment.
 
I only use external inserts for analog so I never use SONAR's external insert feature or get frustrated by it.
 
If you are using a GP-100 digital effects unit... you might want to just do a ping for each patch and slide it manually. You'll have to figure that out. It depends on how much digital work you ask the GP-100 to do and how much latency it requires for any given patch.
 
 
 
 
 
The level's thing will be real obvious... like almost immediately. :-)
 
 
all the best,
mike
 
 
2013/06/13 10:17:11
revnice1
Mike:
Thanks - changing latency due to selecting a different patch is another thing I hadn't thought of but I plan to simply drag the clip back so it might not matter.
 
I did get frustrated trying to use my TC Electronic M2000 in the External Insert mode some years ago and consequently I've never used the damn thing at all. It's been sitting in the rack since brand new.
 
That was long ago and I'm ready to tear out the rest of my hair - will post back.
 
rev
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