2016/08/25 16:10:13
Unknowen
bapu
I use HFA for cover songs.


That's cool!
I think that the more people that see and understand that people here are doing the right thing, it helps everyone to do it right and maybe can get help from others here...
 
 
Peace!
2016/08/25 16:14:46
Unknowen
Slugbaby
The legalities are obvious, and the choice on whether or not to pay the royalties is an ethical one with possible ramifications (much like other lawbreaking pursuits).
 
I was inquiring as to how one goes about following the law.  Was that "END OF STORY" rant really worth the space it took?  None of us think music is free, we're musicians.


well if you want to point that out... but for me... it's just an expression of verification... nothing of a rant... that's just a different perception.. perhaps the same as you grandstanding in the forum calling me out is...  when you could have Pmed me and told me it offended you... I will get right on that! sorry!  
 
 
EDIT: ;) I think a "context" within the convince of a post should be factored into consideration when reading or composing a post... for example... YOU ARE A BUTT HEAD.. LOL means a joke... I JUST HAD A BABY! good thing.. "YOU ARE A BUTT HEAD" with out the lol or a wink...  is an insult... and in a general description of a "FACT" is simply a "FACT" nothing anal or rant a listc about it... LOL...  
2016/08/25 17:08:55
Beepster
@Dave...
 
 
 
and yes that's hotlinked...
 
Try and sue me you handsome and astoundingly brilliant fellow who TOTALLY should not have been banned a dozen times over in the past year or so!
2016/08/25 17:52:16
slartabartfast
Dave000
 
If you put up a cover song and you get 500 plays you owe the artist x cents for each play...
But if you don't pay and sneak around with fake names of songs and/or you don't have permission you can get sued..
 
Unless the artist gives up his royalty right by posting someplace like sound cloud.. this is a separate issue that is an agreement between the artist and Sound Cloud or where ever posted... here as well...



Soundcloud claims not to take any ownership right in your posting, which is technically true. What you give to SoundCloud and users of the "platform" i. e anyone able to hear your music posted there, is a royalty-free license to your performance that they can sublicense to others who are accessing it in what they call "linked services." So your rights are intact, but you have licensed them for nothing.
 
If you are the original author of a work posted to SoundCloud by another person performing your song, you retain full rights to the musical composition, regardless of who has posted it there. If someone "covers" your composition without obtaining a license from you, then SoundCloud may not disseminate it...end of story. Not only is it a violation of the terms of service, for someone to post a pirated cover, it invalidates any license SoundCloud or its users can claim to have received on the composition, and their only defense is the safe harbor provision of the Digital Millennium copyright act, so you can require them to remove it.
 
If you post your performance of your own original composition, then you grant a license to SoundCloud to distribute your performance, and in addition you grant, "a limited, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, fully paid up, license to other users of the Platform, and to operators and users of any other websites, apps and/or platforms to which Your Content has been shared or embedded using the Services (“Linked Services”), to use, copy, listen to offline, repost, transmit or otherwise distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, adapt, prepare derivative works of, compile, make available and otherwise communicate to the public." Just to be clear, that means that while the license is intact, anyone can do a recording of your original composition, and to use samples of it in their own work (a derivative work) without paying you anything.
 
Although you can request that SoundCloud remove your work from public access at any time, under 17 U.S. Code § 203 (b) (1):
"A derivative work prepared under authority of the grant before its termination may continue to be utilized under the terms of the grant after its termination, but this privilege does not extend to the preparation after the termination of other derivative works based upon the copyrighted work covered by the terminated grant." 
 
So if someone finds your song/composition posted by you on SoundCloud, and makes his own version of it without your knowledge or permission, he is licensed to sell as many copies as he wants forever without owing you anything in return, even if you later request SoundCloud to take it down. This is MUCH worse than just making your song available for compulsory licensing, in which case you would be owed a royalty. This may not be what SoundCloud intends, but the wording of their license is so overly broad, that you are potentially giving up your right to be paid for your composition. If that is not what you intend, then do not post to SoundCloud.
 
 
2016/08/25 18:07:24
Unknowen
WOW! This is spooky ^...  for all who post on SC...  I wonder if other music sites have similar wording? 
I always read everything before posting... it's a mad mad world... :)  
2016/08/25 18:17:24
Unknowen
Beepster
@Dave...
 
 
 
and yes that's hotlinked...
 
Try and sue me biznotch!


I don't get this beeper... what is hotlinked? why is your pussy hand on what is a representation on my hand" to stop posting...." I don't understand? what is biznotoch? are you picking on me and calling me names?
 
 
EDIT: I looked up "biznotoch" its slang for ****! ? this is great for the CW forum! and fair to me and not harassing me in any way!... good thing I quoted you so you cant change what YOU said...
2016/08/25 18:28:12
Beepster
2016/08/25 18:29:45
eph221
slartabartfast
Dave000
 
If you put up a cover song and you get 500 plays you owe the artist x cents for each play...
But if you don't pay and sneak around with fake names of songs and/or you don't have permission you can get sued..
 
Unless the artist gives up his royalty right by posting someplace like sound cloud.. this is a separate issue that is an agreement between the artist and Sound Cloud or where ever posted... here as well...



Soundcloud claims not to take any ownership right in your posting, which is technically true. What you give to SoundCloud and users of the "platform" i. e anyone able to hear your music posted there, is a royalty-free license to your performance that they can sublicense to others who are accessing it in what they call "linked services." So your rights are intact, but you have licensed them for nothing.
 
If you are the original author of a work posted to SoundCloud by another person performing your song, you retain full rights to the musical composition, regardless of who has posted it there. If someone "covers" your composition without obtaining a license from you, then SoundCloud may not disseminate it...end of story. Not only is it a violation of the terms of service, for someone to post a pirated cover, it invalidates any license SoundCloud or its users can claim to have received on the composition, and their only defense is the safe harbor provision of the Digital Millennium copyright act, so you can require them to remove it.
 
If you post your performance of your own original composition, then you grant a license to SoundCloud to distribute your performance, and in addition you grant, "a limited, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, fully paid up, license to other users of the Platform, and to operators and users of any other websites, apps and/or platforms to which Your Content has been shared or embedded using the Services (“Linked Services”), to use, copy, listen to offline, repost, transmit or otherwise distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, adapt, prepare derivative works of, compile, make available and otherwise communicate to the public." Just to be clear, that means that while the license is intact, anyone can do a recording of your original composition, and to use samples of it in their own work (a derivative work) without paying you anything.
 
Although you can request that SoundCloud remove your work from public access at any time, under 17 U.S. Code § 203 (b) (1):
"A derivative work prepared under authority of the grant before its termination may continue to be utilized under the terms of the grant after its termination, but this privilege does not extend to the preparation after the termination of other derivative works based upon the copyrighted work covered by the terminated grant." 

So if someone finds your song/composition posted by you on SoundCloud, and makes his own version of it without your knowledge or permission, he is licensed to sell as many copies as he wants forever without owing you anything in return, even if you later request SoundCloud to take it down. This is MUCH worse than just making your song available for compulsory licensing, in which case you would be owed a royalty. This may not be what SoundCloud intends, but the wording of their license is so overly broad, that you are potentially giving up your right to be paid for your composition. If that is not what you intend, then do not post to SoundCloud.



 
I just set this private.  I want to see if the link is still hot.  So what if we make them private on soundcloud but share them on Sonar?


test:  https://soundcloud.com/da...use-76324214/beloved-1
 
So it's live...hmm.  I've already copyrighted all my 2016 songs at the .gov.
2016/08/25 18:40:53
BobF
Oh No!
 
It's blocked, ephie
 
 
2016/08/25 18:42:18
BobF
This is one of the few threads that make me feel less intelligent for having read it.
 
No worries, the FSF is still at the top.  Bottom? 
 
 
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