I get this ALL THE TIME! So much in fact I've started looking at how much of a pain it would be to move to Reaper or PT... Two monitors, one with track view, one with console view. Click on something in the console view, crash. This problem has basically led to two very large projects becoming corrupted and me have to piece things back together manually (basically rebuilding all the track by adding back in the wave files by hand) cursing and screaming the whole time. I've have a few comments: 1. it doesn't have to be the master bus: I had an acoustic guitar bus with a HPF in the Pro Channel EQ that I wanted to A/B while playing -> crash. You hit play in the track view, so that window has the focus, while playing, click a button in the console... see below. 2. I find if you stop playback, click on the title bar of the console view to give it "focus" (in stock Win 7 classic view the title bar goes from grey to blue), then you can click away. 3. Someone mentioned VCC seeming to help this problem show up, and that seems to be the case for me as well. I don't believe VCC to be the cause as it has worked rock solid in the past (same version), but it could have some interplay with vst or graphics handling. I've sent in crash reports and have yet to hear back from CW that any progress has been made (this is over the past few months). If I have to pay for this fix with X3, Reaper may be in my future and I will have wasted a lot of money on Pro Channel add-ons... (luckily all purchased on sale). Having to rebuild projects from scratch is a HORRIBLE thing that I wouldn't want to inflict on my worst enemy...

Sigh.. I just need to vent some.. 
After reading through this thread and other similar ones (especially some others actually) some people just seem to take for granted that if you have any problems with X2, it's your own fault cuz something is wrong with your computer or you just don't get how to set up Sonar (or your system) properly.

I think this is kind of ignorant to say the least. .. Sure, there may be cases like these too, but to just to directly assume that someone doesn't know what he/she is doing is just stupid.

I can only speak for myself, but I think it's the same in other cases as well: Sonar X2a still crash on me quite alot and the main reason is the one I've explained here. The one and only change in my setup since I jumped from X1d to X2a is Sonar itself.. Nothing else. Sonar X1d was rock solid. Sonar X2a crashes.

So please don't give us that "I think something else makes Sonar crash, because nothing is wrong with Sonar", just beacuse Sonar doen't crash on your system! ... It just makes you appear ignorant and annoying. And don't get me wrong now. I'm well aware that it might be something in my setup that makes Sonar X2a crash! But it's still a Sonar-problem(!) since, as I explaned above, Sonar X1d (and everything else but Sonar X2a) workes flawlessly!

So my opinion is that; as long as I don't see any compatibility-problem lists where Cakewalk mentions any hardware I use, it's up to Cakewalk to make Sonar X2 to work on my system and not the other way around..

I'm not sure where anyone has questioned us on this thread about user error.

In many threads from my own experience of helping people it is a common determination and occurrence.  

Clearly it has been confirmed here by me and many others that there is a problem. It is just not showing on all systems. 

John


I'm not sure where anyone has questioned us on this thread about user error.

In many threads from my own experience of helping people it is a common determination and occurrence.  

Clearly it has been confirmed here by me and many others that there is a problem. It is just not showing on all systems. 

that's alright if you haven't seen them
I have and had to say something

hey manny.

this is my theory.. it must be your computer...haaa.
just kidding man.

good job on the viddy-o bro.
I watched it many times before coming to a conclusion.
im wondering first, is it only the master bus your getting the crash with?
does it happen if you touch anything else, like a bus ?...metronome track ?

see when I use sonar with 3 screens, every once in awhile if I click outside the box into something like windows explorer to grab a file to drop I get a freeze, but it soon comes back within a few seconds.

is it possible your focus is on the main screen and by touching a monitor that hasn't been active yet it may freeze like mine only yours is going right to crash.
dare I say it has something to do with the vs 700, you have a great machine there man. its very nice.
but that may be the problem why some others are not getting this and you are, because we don't have the vs 700.

I cant reproduce this either but I can very well see you can and that flys with me.
x1 and x2 do seem like 2 different animals and though ive been having great success here that doesn't help you any.
sorry to hear about this man and if im too far off base with my theorys im sorry.

im hoping maybe something I say can lead you to a new road and solutions.

my best.

Hi Folks,

Those of you experiencing this crash with the master bus, do you have the Concrete Limiter ProChannel Module installed and on either the track or bus you are clicking?

Thanks

Dan Cate [Cakewalk
]

Hi Folks,

Those of you experiencing this crash with the master bus, do you have the Concrete Limiter ProChannel Module installed and on either the track or bus you are clicking?

Thanks

For me, it does appear to only happen if Concrete Limiter is on the Master Bus.  As soon as I removed it, it stopped crashing.
 
This was only after a quick try, I'll experiment further when I have time.
 
Thanks for popping in, Dan.

Dan Cate [Cakewalk
]

Hi Folks,

Those of you experiencing this crash with the master bus, do you have the Concrete Limiter ProChannel Module installed and on either the track or bus you are clicking?

Thanks

Hi, Dan!
Thanks for replying! :)
I really think you might be onto something here!
I opened the projects I used as examples in my video and both had Concrete Limiter on the master bus.

I deleted CL, resaved , closed and opened the projects again.
And now they didn't crash! :)

My default template has the CL on the master bus, so this may definitely be the reason why so many of my projects crash.

I notice both John T and cuitlahac both seem to be saying that they don't have concrete limiter on master when it happens.
 
As I've stated before, I use both monitors as one extended screen, with Sonar stretched over both, so I had not seen it until trying to help in this thread.
 
In the project I tested after Dan's post, removing the CL stopped it crashing, re-inserting it caused the crash if I touched the master.
 
I've just been experimenting more.  On another project I had no crash, even on re-inserting the CL several times, so I tried to find a series of events that might.  Eventually the Master prochannel was visible in the inspector, and the graphics became distorted (EQ all over the place), and the CL only showed the words "Load failure".  Next time i touched the Master in the floating CV Sonar crashed.  It sent a dump toCakewalk.

You know what, I do put the concrete limiter on for some projects, which is stuff I have to master myself. So it might be related to that.