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dorism
it's true - Steinberg products have bugs too. The main difference is Steinberg appear to be doing something about it. Cakewalk. I'm not not so sure.

Yes indeed..  Steinberg is currently working on a new procedure for version 8.  def random_crash(crash for no apparent reason):
 
Stay tuned for more info

lol

John
I have to post. I don't want to because I think this thread is an insult to CW. Nor do I think it is posted in any sort of good faith. The question asked can't be answered with any certainty. The OP has to know that. Also it in a way it puts people on record. What happens if you say I wont upgrade now but later when a new version is released you go for it? Or the opposite?
Mike you have been around long enough to know that CW does not normally get involved with the threads on this forum. Thats not to say they don't come here and say something on occasion. But its been my experience that it runs hot or cold with the Bakers. Sometimes they are here other times they are not. Usually they are here when there is a new release. 
Often members beg for CW to answer a question  here. That is often futile for good reasons. It encourages more begging.
We don't know what is going on at CW but that seems not to impede speculation. What we are seeing is a rumor mill in full operation and those that have been here awhile ought to know better.
No matter what your views are on X2 I think its very unfair to persist with negative comments about CW's future. No one here knows anything about it. All it does is cause a general low morale for us and for the people at CW. 
If you care about this forum and CW and how well it does please put an end to this thread. 
I do not want CW to do anything but we can simply stop posting in it.

I'm sorry that you perceive my thread as negative or badly intended / disrespectful. I do feel like it has a reason to exist. Its popularity proves that to me, as well as the fact that so far, it's roughly 50/50 as to the hypothetical question on topic. If the community (the segment of it that this forum represents anyway) thought otherwise, my thread would have sank long ago. I have not seen instances of trolling in here, and most posts were mature and well thought out. There are tangible changes in the behaviour of this company, which happens to produce workstation software that is the basis of the professional life of many people. I like to think that these changes are responsible for a lot more of the perceived negativity than me asking people how they feel about it, and how it would influence their future decisions. I also like to think that people speaking with their money can influence things in this capitalist world. It's not like posting an opinion in this thread forces anyone to follow through with it.
 
I went to audio engineering school in 2005, where I was told to get a mac, become acquainted with pro tools, and Sonar was mentioned 0 times. Through my own research I have decided that it would nevertheless be the DAW that fits me, because it's a fun, creative and professional environment at once, more so than the other options at that time. My whole workflow is based around its tools and features. If there is even a slight chance that I might be forced to switch eventually, for whatever reason, even though it's not the case right now, I am certainly entitled to raise my voice about it.
 
You know, Cakewalk has the power to send my thread into the abyss with a simple "X2b coming soon, stay tuned" sticky that would take less than 30 seconds of their time.
 
p.s. VERY happy about this new forum, great surprise this morning.

When exactly did Roland buy Cakewalk?
Just curious, because in my country Sonar has been sold by Roland since version 1.0 (so I didn't notice the change).

I don't agree this thread is disrespectful at all. Cakewalk really should know what the customer feedback represents and if it wasn't for people speaking up against things they are unhappy with then not much would change and democracy would be dead. Any form of retail means that you are offering potential customers a product they are willing to pay for. How many of those potential customers firstly 'Buy in' and secondly remain 'Loyal' depends on at least some of the factors being discussed here. I'm sure Cakewalk are very interested in this feedback, albeit unofficial.
As for why they have declined to comment over the growing concern about the future of a product that many people love and some people wish they could love, we dont actually know. Of course all of this originally began with a 'Wheres X2b ? '. Had cake nipped it in the bud then with a statement of intentions however non committal in terms of dates, then this would not be blowing out of proportion in the fashion that it is now.
So it could be argued over who is being disrespectful here.
I, however believe an of some kind is not too far away.

Bibs

New Forum software!  Yea!!
 
Well, not so much:
     the header takes half the screen
     wasted space everywhere  Why?????????    de-cluttering is still alive!
       less on screen
         more scrolling !!!!
           larger line spacing is easier to read????
 
The X series GUI comes to the forum.  Looks good at first glance. But actual use requires more attention to the interface.
 
But, the giant quote marks sure make me tingle.
 
Bad enough the stupidity of "post count" continues. I wonder how I get "Reward Points?" Does it have anything to do with audio recording? Or how many vowels I use in a post?  Oh, I am so stoked!
 
Sure hope the search function actually works as described.
 
Yea. Can't we all just get along?
 
 

trimph1
@stevec...plausible deniability is always a good idea...

I have little doubt that SONAR will continue on and just get better.

But in the overall scheme of things....   Yup.  
 
 

dorism

swamptooth

dorism
Touch is a gimmick - how did this even make the list?

remember the people who said midi was a gimmick?

nope

 
It is difficult to believe anyone actually said "MIDI was a gimmick". Things must have been very different back then. Very different.

John
I have to post. I don't want to because I think this thread is an insult to CW. Nor do I think it is posted in any sort of good faith. The question asked can't be answered with any certainty. The OP has to know that. Also it in a way it puts people on record. What happens if you say I wont upgrade now but later when a new version is released you go for it? Or the opposite?
 
 
 
Mike you have been around long enough to know that CW does not normally get involved with the threads on this forum. Thats not to say they don't come here and say something on occasion. But its been my experience that it runs hot or cold with the Bakers. Sometimes they are here other times they are not. Usually they are here when there is a new release. 
 
Often members beg for CW to answer a question  here. That is often futile for good reasons. It encourages more begging.
 
We don't know what is going on at CW but that seems not to impede speculation. What we are seeing is a rumor mill in full operation and those that have been here awhile ought to know better.
No matter what your views are on X2 I think its very unfair to persist with negative comments about CW's future. No one here knows anything about it. All it does is cause a general low morale for us and for the people at CW. 
 
If you care about this forum and CW and how well it does please put an end to this thread. 
 
I do not want CW to do anything but we can simply stop posting in it. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Sounds a bit like censorship to me John.
 
People have paid their hard earned cash for Cakewalk's software (or more accurately, the Licence to use it), and are thereby entitled to express their opinions about it - albeit within the TOS. And it's up to Cakewalk to decide whether or not those opinions are allowed to remain in here, not you, or me, for that matter.
 
And as for your line about 'morale', I find that rather counter-intuitive, although it is concomitant with the rest of your post. If we're only allowed to exalt Cakewalk, and never criticise their products or business modus operandi, what a saccharin-sweet den of abject sycophancy this place would soon become. And how much poorer the quality of their products would be, with nobody allowed to point out any problems and grievances with it.
 
I've always had the utmost respect for guys such as yourself who have put your lives on the line to protect my right to free speech from those all too willing to take it away from me; I can never understand why you'd want to deny that right in a public forum of all places.
 
 
 
 

SteveStrummerUK

 
And as for your line about 'morale', I find that rather counter-intuitive, although it is concomitant with the rest of your post. If we're only allowed to exalt Cakewalk, and never criticise their products or business modus operandi, what a saccharin-sweet den of abject sycophancy this place would soon become. And how much poorer the quality of their products would be, with nobody allowed to point out any problems and grievances with it.
 



Do this on the IK Multimedia forum and your psots will quickly be deleted or threads will belocked. I've had this a couple times for expressing my concerns on never ending i-xxx products and no development in the full desktop apps, the missing stealthboard etc etc.
 
I'm a long term member of IK who owns a lot of there software and interfaces. They will not have a bad word or difference in opinion said over there whatsoever.

cmusicmaker
It is difficult to believe anyone actually said "MIDI was a gimmick". Things must have been very different back then. Very different.

This was talked about briefly in MIDI class at my school. There was a period where people would call it MUDI - musically unusable digital interface. It took several updates to the protocol, as well as improvements in the latency capabilities of the hardware, before that would change.