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Which VST3 effects would you guys buy if it was supported by X2?

TBH I can't even think of any that leverage exclusive features of the format (although I believe such things do actually exist), but I'd likely install the ones that are supplied by vendors alongside the v2.4 ones, for the reasons I've already stated.

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Which VST3 effects would you guys buy if it was supported by X2?

Many of the plugs I already have (Waves i.e) are already VST3 compliant.

Not all of us can afford a HIGH END Computer System, and not all of us work in a Recording Studio,

where purchasing things is tax write off.

VST3 is important (to me) because of improved CPU handling, just as the "Steinberg Propaganda" says.

THEY wrote the ORIGINAL VST standard...and no one saw a need for that when they did it....and NOW
everyone uses it..

Then the VST2 standard...and everyone complained about not needing it...and NOW everyone uses it..


Do you see a pattern here?

They wouldn't go through the painstaking process of a complete re-write of the standard 
for "resizable" windows guys....let's at least TRY to be realistic when we approach this...
There was a NEED for the re-write.  To improve upon the "old" and make it better...
Just like X2...we could say....X1 was just getting fixed....and I don't see a need for the change...
And I'm sure in a year all the nay-sayers will be saying ...oh I love VST3

There are definite benefits to the new standard...

If you don't care fine...but don''t downplay the importance to the INDUSTRY just because it's not important to YOU...


There's my 2 cents...

Per note dynamically mapped valve leakage on the Scarbee Mark4 will be a aural revelation.

...when it finally happens, I predict that Spittle Burst & Air Suck Phraser will sweep the music scene faster than you can say Camel Crusher.

mike_mccue


Per note dynamically mapped valve leakage on the Scarbee Mark4 will be a aural revelation.

...when it finally happens, I predict that Spittle Burst & Air Suck Phraser will sweep the music scene faster than you can say Camel Crusher.

WB Mike

Nice to know some things will NEVER change or improve.

There's a certain security in that.

bitflipper


No need to copy-n-paste Steinberg propaganda; I've already read it -- and then some.

If VST3 were an incremental improvement in the spec, I'd have no quibbles with it. But it's a major rewrite of the interface specification, most of it for no good reason other than to assure incompatibility with everything that's come before. Developers hate it. Usually when you're told to throw everything out and start from scratch, there's some kind of payoff. Resizable windows? They had to rewrite the entire spec to get resizeable windows? Solitaire has had a resizeable window since Windows 2.0, before Cubase's engineers were out of high school.

Microsoft is famous for this kind of tactic, but Steinberg, for all its pretensions of grandeur, isn't Microsoft. (How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb? None, they just redefine the standard as "dark" and embark on a multimillion dollar ad campaign to convince all users of "light" that they are woefully behind the times and not keeping up with the cutting edge.)

[Jonbuoy: sorry, I forgot that some people loop takes. Call me Chuck Norris if you like, but truly I do not record that way. No, I rarely get it right the first time. I might get it right on the 200th time - and that's when I hit "R" and record #201.]

Look I know it's not what you find appealing but some of us use Sonar differently than you.   Sounds like you have more issues with it as it relates to programming rather than usability or creatively.       

I personally need/want this:

There are few VST3 advantages over AU:  1. VST3 supports multiple MIDI ports as opposed to VST2 and AU which support only one MIDI port at a time. This is especially handy if you're trying to offload some of the instruments you might be using to program such as Vienna Ensemble Pro.  2. VST3 is surround capable. Actually I'm not sure if AU is surround capable or not, so excuse if I'm wrong on this one. When you insert a VST3 effect on a track - you get an effect for every channel (6 effects for 5.1 surround, 2 for Stereo, 1 for MONO).  3. VST3 goes offline if you have no audio going through it. If you have 100 tracks, with 100 effects, but only 15 play at a time, then your CPU only computes those 15 effects that are being utilized at a particular moment.

It's unlikely that vendors such as these are gonna devolve to VST2 just to sell licenses to SONAR users:

http://www.synchroarts.com/index.php?PAGEID=home









Maybe someday we'll be able to actually run a 64bit Quicktime codec in SONAR and use powerful tools like Vocalign VST3.

A good example of needing VST3 is when using Vocal Rider (amazing btw-) It has the option to sidechain the music so that it compensates for the music getting louder whilst riding the vocal. This function is grayed out in Sonar as VST2 doesn't support sidechaining. Sucks to spend the big bucks on WAVES plugs only to find your DAW doesn't utilize the latest technology. So now we wait for VST3 support. Must Have!!

There are few VST3 advantages over AU:  1. VST3 supports multiple MIDI ports as opposed to VST2 and AU which support only one MIDI port at a time. This is especially handy if you're trying to offload some of the instruments you might be using to program such as Vienna Ensemble Pro.  2. VST3 is surround capable. Actually I'm not sure if AU is surround capable or not, so excuse if I'm wrong on this one. When you insert a VST3 effect on a track - you get an effect for every channel (6 effects for 5.1 surround, 2 for Stereo, 1 for MONO).  3. VST3 goes offline if you have no audio going through it. If you have 100 tracks, with 100 effects, but only 15 play at a time, then your CPU only computes those 15 effects that are being utilized at a particular moment.

I am not sure why anyone would not want at least that.



Garry

From what I can tell VST 2.4 retains the 16 midi channel limit per VST instance.
 
As someone who gets involved in orchestral compositions, wouldn't I rather be able to break that limit and give myself fewer instances to manage when there's so doggone many orchestral instruments? Just bought VSL Special Edition, doesn't this become important to me? I ask this with an open mind, because I am inexperienced in such things.

Blogman


A good example of needing VST3 is when using Vocal Rider (amazing btw-) It has the option to sidechain the music so that it compensates for the music getting louder whilst riding the vocal. This function is grayed out in Sonar as VST2 doesn't support sidechaining. Sucks to spend the big bucks on WAVES plugs only to find your DAW doesn't utilize the latest technology. So now we wait for VST3 support. Must Have!!

+1!