I'm using X2a and I'm affraid I get the timeline marker disappear on me on a random basis too. 

It's weird .....

gcolbert


 

As and example : Cakewalk has supposed to coded and program the "NOW TIME" indicator to randomly disappears in SONAR X2. It much more fun to guess were you play in the project instead of visible see it.

 
Freddie, I have never had my NOW TIME indicator randomly disappear.  If you can show me how to make that happen (and it is documented in the user manual that it should not be hidden as a result of some user action) I am more than willing to key in a bug report for the problem.  Fact is, it just does not happen with my setup.  Now it may just be that you are accidentally hitting the scroll lock or some other keyboard short-cut that makes it go away.  If this is the case the bug is on the other side of the keyboard. 
       

I haven't said much here, but there are things I agree with and some not...

This item is for real and the only workaround I've found is to close Sonar and re-open it...

If we could give a repeatable recipe it might have been fixed already as it's been with us since X2...

I won't rant about the bugs that are known, nor my own complaints about what I consider to be bad design decisions, but they are there...

...and they are there in ALL the competitors' products as well. Each with their own...

Cakewalk has always been very well connected to their user base and I can only hope that such survives the corporate assimilation into Roland...

Right now I'm very skeptical with nowhere to turn as even with it's issues Sonar still fills my needs better than the others...

Keni

Strummy, you are correct that a bug does not have to be had by or even reproduced by all.
But I believe that more than one or two people should have to experience the same issue.

Some bugs, like the one I used to have with clip envelopes, (volume and pan) were tough to replicate.
I was not the only person that noticed during some playback's the envelopes would work, then on the next pass they wouldn't.

I reported it to CW but it's damn near impossible to fix something that is totally random and can't be reproduced at will.

Since the 'X' versions I have not seen this so I'm guessing that something, somewhere in the code somehow straightened that one out.

I gotta hand it to CW.
It can't be easy writing a program for Windows and PC. The good and bad about PC's are the same problem.
PC is made to work with just about all software and hardware combinations.

There must be billions of different configurations out there.
Considering that, I think Cakewalk is doing an excellent job of putting out a stable program.
Stable for all? Of course not. But as a whole, yeah a pretty stable environment.

Mike 

Keni

gcolbert

As and example : Cakewalk has supposed to coded and program the "NOW TIME" indicator to randomly disappears in SONAR X2. It much more fun to guess were you play in the project instead of visible see it.

Freddie, I have never had my NOW TIME indicator randomly disappear.  If you can show me how to make that happen (and it is documented in the user manual that it should not be hidden as a result of some user action) I am more than willing to key in a bug report for the problem.  Fact is, it just does not happen with my setup.  Now it may just be that you are accidentally hitting the scroll lock or some other keyboard short-cut that makes it go away.  If this is the case the bug is on the other side of the keyboard. 
     

I haven't said much here, but there are things I agree with and some not...

This item is for real and the only workaround I've found is to close Sonar and re-open it...

If we could give a repeatable recipe it might have been fixed already as it's been with us since X2...

I won't rant about the bugs that are known, nor my own complaints about what I consider to be bad design decisions, but they are there...

...and they are there in ALL the competitors' products as well. Each with their own...

Cakewalk has always been very well connected to their user base and I can only hope that such survives the corporate assimilation into Roland...

Right now I'm very skeptical with nowhere to turn as even with it's issues Sonar still fills my needs better than the others...

Keni

So Keni, how's the forum software been treating ya?  

Sorry but If I go all week without complaining about the forum software I feel somewhat empty inside.


Mike

I think that the most frustrating part of all of this is the complete lack of communication from Cakewalk. We've all invested in their company and product. If there was at least something to look forward to...

 
+1. I would like to at least hear something from them now and then.
 
J

This is why I will use the term, "issue", or possible bug, myself. Only if I can reproduce the issue on-command, every time, then I will refer it as a bug. 
Distinction in terms, however, downplays the importance in resolving issues. 

So, I will introduce a new term for us all to use, that even CW can't ignore, because they do understand just what we mean: Cursident - repeated unreasonable, unexpected result, that does not yet qualify to be a bug, but does qualify for support attention.

Incidents or anomalies, maybe even the occasional bug will raise an eyebrow, prompt a re-try, and "Carry-On". Two occurrences of the same thing (or similar to) will get a huff, three will garner a "wtf", but FOUR times, within one session will give us at least one curse-word. That's not enough to give us a "bug", but it sure feels like someone didn't do their homework, whether it be the computer-maker, Microsoft, CW, Audio/video hardware maker, subversive janitor (Anti-virus software), or the end user. In any case, unless the issue is the End-User, this shouldn't be the customer's problem, right? We paid for a solid product built on a foundation that has actually been tested and free of bugs, correct? Yet, we do live with the acceptance that bugs are simply a way of life, or the software developer companies won't remain competitive.

I think they're doing a pretty good job, but let's not stop at resolving bugs. Let's move on to resolve issues, or at least check out what could be the problem. CW should have developed some debugging tools to remain well inside Sonar, that could be enabled/disabled from a separate program.exe, not from within Sonar. From that, we could let it run for a while and when the cursident occurs, we at least have a way to "snap-shot" Sonar and logs to report. And if the program crashes, the crash-reporter will have a few more options, some of which the more intelligent of us might actually be able to check out on our own. 

But there you have it, cursident. By the fourth time you have an issue, it makes you curse, and that should be a cause to at least log the occurrence at CW.  

Perhaps they aiming to make programs to beginners / toys and "first time" amature segment obviously not the professional user. They seem more interested of putting all effort making Music creator 6, download with Steam when you download your other games... instead of making a update patch B for the professional users..

 
I sometimes wonder if there isn't more money and easier money in the MC6 and i-crap markets than there is in the pro market that competes with PT... like Sonar. Software and hardware are both going through major growing pains right now merging workstation and mobile platforms.. (I think). What will the result be? I have no clue but I am afraid that things, for many companies, will be determined by the "lowest common denominator" and the push will be to sell milions of digital trivets instead of fewer truly professional software/hardware combos for home studios. Maybe Bubba can arrange for us to have the best of all possible futures...?
 
Maybe we will soon know where we are headed and maybe it will be better than we ever imagined. My guess is that it will be either really good or really bad, depending on your perspective and expectations and your experience or lack thereof.
 
J

jbow

Perhaps they aiming to make programs to beginners / toys and "first time" amature segment obviously not the professional user. They seem more interested of putting all effort making Music creator 6, download with Steam when you download your other games... instead of making a update patch B for the professional users..

 
I sometimes wonder if there isn't more money and easier money in the MC6 and i-crap markets than there is in the pro market that competes with PT... like Sonar. Software and hardware are both going through major growing pains right now merging workstation and mobile platforms.. (I think). What will the result be? I have no clue but I am afraid that things, for many companies, will be determined by the "lowest common denominator" and the push will be to sell milions of digital trivets instead of fewer truly professional software/hardware combos for home studios. Maybe Bubba can arrange for us to have the best of all possible futures...?
 
Maybe we will soon know where we are headed and maybe it will be better than we ever imagined. My guess is that it will be either really good or really bad, depending on your perspective and expectations and your experience or lack thereof.
 
J

Just look and IK Multimedia.

Some of you guys theorizing on Cakewalks solvency need to have them call me if this is the case I might be able to help.

I bird dog for a law firm that has a 16 year track record of helping companies in dire straits to have more funding from the government in the form of certain  major tax advantages. 

We only help companies that are privately held and American owned. If Cake wants to buy their company back and they have enough tax liability say $1 million or more (Taxes from corporate plus main stockholders who would have an interest in buying out Roland) I might can have my attorney speak with them and show them how to buy their company back with tax dollars that otherwise would be going to the IRS. 

I normally wouldn't mention my day job on this forum at all but Sonar is my DAW of choice and when you have the legal firepower at your disposal to do exceptional things for others you should be proud of it and look to help companies you like,  Right?

We have a 16 year track record of lowering tax liability by 75% at least for hundreds of major clients (minimum of $500k tax liability many hundred million dollar plus companies) 

We have several expert top of the food chain attorneys who speaks at tax adviser conventions where the other tax advisers (attorneys and CPA's ) qualify for continuing education credits when they listen to these guys. 

One actually wrote some of the key tax laws for the government that allow us to do what we do.

I think such a law firm is the one that a large privately held company is wise to use considering our average client saves 75% on their taxes after we take them on as a client and we work on a contingency basis so there is no cost to explore the possibilities because we don't have a retainer. 

We help companies transfer from one owner to another all the time.

 I feel sorry for those companies that don't have us helping them. Strategies that we offer are only in use by the big 4 accounting firms and we are the only ones who can make them available for smaller privately held companies in fact every CPA who has evaluated our strategies has signed off on them for their client. Because you have to be a fortune 500 company for a big 4 to take you on as a client and the fact we are the only firm that will offer this service without at least a $100,000 plus retainer I am fairly certain we have a functional monopoly on how to do this for large companies. 

We are very picky of taking on clients and if your an owner of a company you have to follow our protocol or we drop your case. Companies need us we have plenty of clients and don't really need any more. Yeah I wouldn't mind taking on more business but how many steaks can you eat in a day. I have no more money problems and will retire in the next 3 to 4 years but if some hot shot wants to get into doing what I am doing I am going to explore the possibility of taking on an understudy one day, possibly next year.

As far as bugs go 

Lots of things I would like for them to address but I am willing to work with them and not complain. 

I have a few friends that are old users and I get lots more help with Sonar than I would if I had some other program. It's my DAW of choice for too many reasons to even consider another DAW.

 I am going to upgrade to X2 when I am sure the next update is the one that fixes things for other people. I'm not in a hurry to do this as I am loving X1 and new enough to not have dug into it too deep enough to experience much in the way of limitations.

SteveStrummerUK


Just out of interest, what is the correct definition for a 'bug'?

 
In 1947, Grace Murray Hopper was working on the Harvard University Mark II Aiken Relay Calculator (a primitive computer).
On the 9th of September, 1947, when the machine was experiencing problems, an investigation showed that there was a moth trapped between the points of Relay #70, in Panel F.
The operators removed the moth and affixed it to the log. The entry reads: "First actual case of bug being found."
The word went out that they had "debugged" the machine and the term "debugging a computer program" was born.
 
FWIW
 
Walt