rcklln


Why do I need a B patch?

I have a number of graphical related issues that annoy me quite a bit while trying to get work done. These issues are only evident when using Sonar X2a. Support was enaged months ago and I still have no resolution or idea as to whether they are working on it or not. I feel enough people on this forum have posted about similar graphic issues where it should have gotten enough attention to be addressed by now.

Certainly even the things that have workarounds need addressing, and the sooner the better, but not at the expense of any introduction of new issues or stability.  I hope that whenever the Cakewalk folks release the next update things like redraw and other graphic issues can addressed, and that proper testing of the update is also done.


Bob Bone

I went back and retested my issues and found that it was introduced with x2a. I removed sonar and reinstalled and they undo issue was not present in the initial release or in the hotfix. Only when I reinstalled the x2a patch did this reappear.

Tom Riggs


I went back and retested my issues and found that it was introduced with x2a. I removed sonar and reinstalled and they undo issue was not present in the initial release or in the hotfix. Only when I reinstalled the x2a patch did this reappear.

Good catch.  I may have missed it - can you detail those steps that produce this errant Undo?


Bob Bone

J4R10


"It's simple really. If you don't like Sonar, how they run their business, how they patch, how they release their products, their tech support, how long they make us wait, how they keep all these secrets, the list goes on and on, right? If a person doesn't like all that and feels the need to vent or complain here or in front of clients, isn't it time to change your weapon of choice?"

So, it's like "pay, like it or not, but shut up"? Or "It's software, of course it's buggy!"? What is wrong with you guys?! If someone is having problems with the software they have paid for, you say it's not ok to "complain"?! No emphaty? I understand completely those who use DAW daily to make their living and are frustrated of annoying bugs or crashes they're reporting.

I've had no big issues with X1d. Ok, maybe some, but not very big ones... Example everytime I've exported audio (or bounced track), I have to close and reopen the project or otherwise there will be loud cracks and pops with level meters hitting at 100 during playback. I guess it has something to do with those tens of CPU hungry plugins on project tracks.

So, no big issues with X1, but as a consumer and a Cakewalk customer, I think I have a right to tell here or anywhere my opinions about their product or marketing tactics - the good ones AND the bad ones.

And what comes to Roland/Cakewalk/Sonar, there is definitely something going on and I think there will be big changes in near future...

J4, I'd never dispute the above. What I said if you read my post in full is...if you haven't exhausted all possibilities, I don't see the reason to complain. You know as well as I do that well over half of the complaints we see on here are from people that either think they know everything there is to know about configurations that will NOT let the forum help them, nor will they even try support.
 
To me, that does not give them a reason to complain. I would never say "pay, like it or not and shut-up". If you have a legit problem and have tried everything you can think of, have allowed the power users on this forum the chance to help you and have tried tech support and still failed, you sir, have every right to complain as you see fit. And the extent of how you wish to complain is completely acceptable at that point. But if you just mess around and can't get something right or you never reach out to someone because you think you know it all....is that really fair to yourself or the company? I don't think it is...and that is what the other half of my post was about.
 
That said, I STILL do not think it's wise to create a rant thread because 9 out of 10 times, it will not solve a thing, you will be called a troll, attention seeker, hot-head, and no one will really care. Your best bet at that point is to buy another DAW and see how you fair...or just switch to a tape machine or whatever.
 
Let me let you and everyone else in on a little secret...
 
Because the Bakers DO read this forum, the person that cries out like a human being in a thread just MAY get the attention of a Baker that sends you a PM. I can't tell you how many times that has happened to me as well as my friends on here. Do you think they would waste their time on a hot-head that isn't even willing to try to discuss/work out the problem on the forum? I know I wouldn't if I were them. Kindness as well as patience goes a long way on this forum with both its members that CAN help you as well as the support that hangs behind the scenes.
 
Trust me, people with legit gripes would never hear me bash them. My point is...quite a lot of the banter on here is not legit and everyone knows that. The % of issues with X2 isn't as big as these forum messages lead on. The Bakers know people have multi-accounts and like to stir up stuff. We even know when we see a troll these days. So to those procrastinating about buying Sonar X2 due to what you read on the forum....don't pay attention to everything you read. How one person uses the software and may complain about various bugs...another will use it differently and won't even see them.
 
-Danny

My 2 cents on Roland and Cakewalk: If you look back to 1999 and 2000, Roland put out some portable DAW's, one of them (the VS-2480CD) was in direct competition with a super winner that Yamaha released, called the AW4416. I still have one of those Yamaha units, and it STILL performs flawlessly. Roland released a similar DAW, but with some advantages, such as 24 tracks, vs. 16, 96Khz sampling, vs. only 48Khz, and external monitor interface. I've played around with both of those, and they were fierce competition.

Yamaha recently bought Steinberg, giving them Cubase etc. , and Roland bought Cakewalk. Knowing how much these two companies compete in these electronic and software markets, albeit not perfectly apples-to-apples, it suggests to me that the next (X3?) release is going to have a more heavily involved Roland presence. This could be the reason for such delays in X2b, or X3, or any other patches, etc. I'm guess on the latter, totally. 

If what I'm surmising holds truth, then I have a footnote for Roland. As compared to the Yamaha AW4416, your VS-2480CD felt very fragile and plastic. I was too afraid I'd break it if I touched it the wrong way. The AW4416 could take a beating...and mine still does. 

brconflict


My 2 cents on Roland and Cakewalk: If you look back to 1999 and 2000, Roland put out some portable DAW's, one of them (the VS-2480CD) was in direct competition with a super winner that Yamaha released, called the AW4416. I still have one of those Yamaha units, and it STILL performs flawlessly. Roland released a similar DAW, but with some advantages, such as 24 tracks, vs. 16, 96Khz sampling, vs. only 48Khz, and external monitor interface. I've played around with both of those, and they were fierce competition.

Yamaha recently bought Steinberg, giving them Cubase etc. , and Roland bought Cakewalk. Knowing how much these two companies compete in these electronic and software markets, albeit not perfectly apples-to-apples, it suggests to me that the next (X3?) release is going to have a more heavily involved Roland presence. This could be the reason for such delays in X2b, or X3, or any other patches, etc. I'm guess on the latter, totally. 

If what I'm surmising holds truth, then I have a footnote for Roland. As compared to the Yamaha AW4416, your VS-2480CD felt very fragile and plastic. I was too afraid I'd break it if I touched it the wrong way. The AW4416 could take a beating...and mine still does. 

Roland and Cakewalk go back a very long ways. I was hoping with the buy out of CW by Roland I would see more Roland specific integration in Sonar. I have been hoping for this for a very long time. TTS-1 was CW working with Roland to supply Sound Canvas sounds to the DAW. Before it the Virtual Sound Canvas (VSC) that CW bundled with Pro Audio came from Roland. Because for me Roland has had a strong market in sound modules I was hoping for module editors within the DAW. There are lots of areas that Roland could include its technology in Sonar and still leave Sonar a general purpose DAW. 

If instead we get a DAW that is neither fish nor foul in that it has nothing that is useful for Roland users and is left to swing in the breeze it will not have been a smart acquisition. But rather buying a wonderful DAW and let it starve. Keep in mind that as a DAW alone Sonar is one of a growing number. It needs to distinguish itself in a way that others can't. 

CW is software Roland is hardware can there not be a good solid marriage between them?

I am of the mind that CW is on its own with little useful input from Roland. It could be because they really don't understand what they have with CW. Or how to exploit this very strong relationship.

Yamaha has been very active in developing Cubase.  From where I stand they have done a darn good job too. If Roland does nothing with Sonar it will eventually hurt CW and Sonar. If you buy into Cubase it will also allow you into Yamaha. The one sells the other. 

I want to see more Roland involvement without them screwing Sonar up. 



 

here is a test for the so called x2a debate.
 get your best client in the studio, throw down a killer track then
go to any buss, click on the pencil tool now draw a line on a volume level'
 after it chrashed and your client left , post on how great cakewalk is and how where all just not as pro as the guys who spend hours on workarounds ,and then use vvocal and leave it on your trach without bouncing, sorry cakewalk i love you and x1 but x2 is junk and if your going to waist time on a forum praising at least have the facts its broken, but yes iv got threw projects since i know the tricks but com on, the pencil  buss crash is just sad.and i know i just opened the door to the love anything cake crew,and PC not working in anything but x2 is even more sad, not even x1??is just unbelievable, they made it like they make video games for kids. payed updates and just wait till next year .i want to thank the forum for prasing them till they just release junk.and you love it. and the sadest fact is i love x1 and use it every day. but that dont mean i want to marry them and give them 1/2 my money. its a daw nothing more. ok a very nice daw. thats x1 my friends back to rockin my daw. lata

BTW...
 
Happy (belated) Birthday Steve... Did you actually just celebrate 51?
 
Don't worry... I doubt you'll catch up to me too fast as I'm more than 10 years farther gone! ;-)
 
Keni
 

@BRCONFLICT

I had a Tascam 2488 and before that an Akai DPS12. I loved them both. I still have the Tascam. For years I recorded with the Tascam and mixed with Sonar. Then I learned how to record with Sonar and now the Tascam gathers dust. I once synced it to my interface with midi to record more tracks at once. That worked ok. And the tracks on the Tascam didn't need to be monitored.

In general, I think the touch direction of Sonar and computing in general may reduce the hardware market somewhat. Some will still want hardware, but touch is so direct that I imagine as it gets better it will cut into the sale of hardware devices.

I mean no offence to anyone and without a doubt it is my on ignorance of working in this field but this has been gnawing at me for a while. Why do any of you allow your clients to watch you work. What is to be gained by that? I do electrical and security design work mostly for the DOD and I would never allow them to watch me work. I prepare for any and all meetings with them and ready myself to handle any and all criticism of my work in a diplomatic manner, which means with the DOD I'll do it the way you want it done. But I can't imagine allowing anyone to watch me work. Now that being said I have been put under the microscope upon rare occasions in meetings and been forced to design on the fly in front of high-ranking personnel.