im with danzi man.
really stable, id just like to see it built apon and made better next time around.
I think it has major potential and while I have been extremely successful with it,
id like to see improvements in features.
 
the one thing I am miffed about though is how some folks with top end computers are saying they're having stability issues
and im running my main version on a super charged (OC) AMD phenom 2.
I know people have had a hard time warming up to it and sometimes that makes us lose hope and just get so frustrated we want nothing to do with it.
 
peep's that have been around remember when x1 was first released and that was nothing compared to this, as a matter of fact ive seen more of a surge in negative comments
in the last 2 weeks than I did in the first 8 months of its release.
why now the sudden surge in "this is unsable" ???
 
well I think the news of a new version, has sent some users through the roof and left them with a feeling of abandonment.
we don't even know whats coming, I still haven't seen this you tube video talking about a new release
but what I hear the most more than anything is complaining of features or changes from x1.
not stability issues.
I can agree with some of those thoughts, I liked some of the features in x1 and wonder why they changed them myself but it is what it is or
it isn't what it isn't. we have a version of x2 so we better get used to it or move on.
 
to the op,give us your specs and explain your issues we might be able to help.
seems funny your first post is a rant and you ask for no help ?
new account to just to rant, you need tech support right?
we have some of the best techs right here in this forum.
 
your either a part of the problem or your wanting to fix the problem, true some problems cant be solved.
but you can sure explore those routes now cant you?

slartabartfast

Sonar X2 is a Bust

Naw, mate, that's not a bust.


THIS is a bust:

THAT IS SO HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


( pardon me. )

I think that people are coming out of the woodwork and complaining because they feel like they've given Cakewalk enough time to fix the problems. With the slip up of showing info that X3 was in development, people are starting to question if they were given their money's worth with the number of patches that have been issued for X2.

For me, X2 is unstable. I use a lot of generative/tempo based vsti along with regular synths and outboard recording. X2 is easily the flakiest of the hosts I've been testing for the last three months when it comes to interfaces and tempo based effects. I use another host on the exact same machine, and everything works fine. If I'm just recording and mixing without the more cutting-edge vst plugs, then X2 usually behaves itself. But, once things get esoteric, even with something as mainstream as Reaktor, all hell seems to break loose.

I'm still in the camp that believes 8.5.3 was the last great version of Sonar.


I think people really just was reassurance that a patch is coming.

Headings like "Sonar X2 is a Bust" just make those of us who have few Sonar X2a problems wonder what is wrong and what we can do to help. It's like standing at the door of a business saying, "Don't go in here! I don't like them," while other happy customers walk in and out. 

Maybe the heading should be, "I'm frustrated with Sonar X2 and would like some help", or "What am I doing wrong?", or maybe even "Sonar X2 is a Bust FOR ME", but "Sonar X2 is a Bust" comes across as assumptive and spiteful...and is completely untrue.

Browse this forum long enough, and you'll find several examples of people who started threads with headers like this...followed by responses that end up making X2 a wonderful program for the OP. Meanwhile, that nasty headline remains, to scare away others who might join the Sonar bandwagon and find that it performs great for them.

The lack of computer specs makes some of us think the OP doesn't really want any help, but just to talk trash.

A friend of mine has been griping for months that he can't watch YouTube videos at home. Then, I discover that he's running an ancient computer with Windows 98. There's no patch in the world that will fix that. I can't run my first version of Microsoft Word on the computer I have today. That's how it is. Get used to it.

Whatever time zone the OP lives in, they've had plenty of time in the past day-and-a-half to post again and give some solid information which might lead to a solution for them. This forum is certainly packed with people who will happily come to the aid of any Sonar user who needs help, but you have to give them something to go on. 

I've seen criticism on the forum of people who post their computer specs, as if those of us who do that are some sort of conceited braggarts. That's not it. The system I was immensely proud of the day I bought it has already been outdistanced by products that came out weeks later. I post my specs because when I have a question or problem, something in my specs may give someone else a clue as how to help me.

Also, my specs may give someone who's having a problem a clue as to what kind of system they might need in order to be happy with X2. The program hasn't been perfect for me, either, but I have used many different recording programs, and in my experience I have found nothing but competitors who are less feature-packed and less perfect than Sonar X2. 


 

Danny Danzi

jamesyoyo


While I won't go that far to say its a bust....X2 has so many weird things happening in so many places that I am moving towards that conclusion.

I used it on one of my little machines for quite a while just to make sure it was ok. It seemed ok so I added it to one of my big recording boxes. I've had so many weird things happen, I can't even remember them all nor do I know where to start. Thank God it's not crashing on me or anything, but man....+1000 on "weird things"! If there is an Xxx whatever they come up with next, the first thing off my box is X2. Not because it doesn't work...it's just too weird to comprehend.
 
One of the things that bothers me right now....record a punch in. Slip edit one side. Go to edit/undo, it will say "undo recording" instead of "undo crop". If you click undo recording, it un-does the crop....but I'm finding little weird things all over that are just freaking me out.
 
Would I call it a bust? Absolutely not. It's been incredibly stable for me and let me tell ya, I work these programs to death. But to me, "weird" describes X2....it's not a bust at all.
 
-Danny

Did you report this to CW Danny?
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com

There are some things I'm less than thrilled about in X2.
There are some things I miss from Sonar 8 and I'm having some stability issues but..... X2 a bust? Nah!
There's enough about X2 that I really like and I have faith that Cakewalk will get the issues ironed out. So, I can't consider it a bust. Not by a long shot!

rodreb


There are some things I'm less than thrilled about in X2.
There are some things I miss from Sonar 8 and I'm having some stability issues but..... X2 a bust? Nah!
There's enough about X2 that I really like and I have faith that Cakewalk will get the issues ironed out. So, I can't consider it a bust. Not by a long shot!

I too had so many problems with X1 that I simply didn't install it.  But X2a is working for me.  I thought that by getting rid of the little note icons on the staff view it would be much slower inputting midi notes.  But its not.  I use the following keyboard shortcuts:
 
w = whole note
h = half
q = quarter
e = eighth
s = sixteenth
t = thirty-second 
 
Same with SHIFT = dotted note
Same with CTRL = triplet
 
MIDI inputting in the staff view is actually faster than in Sonar 7.  X2a is very stable, still some annoyances (colors don't work) some labeling discrepancies (in process menu, it's called "find/change", but in right-click context menu in staff view it's called "interpolate"), and a few other things.  But all in all, my opinion of what CW has done with Sonar is basically positive, the new interface is much cleaner, much easier on the eye. 
 
There are some quirks due to the new tools.  For example, if the select tool is not selected first, you can't lasso material in the staff view for editing.  Thought it was a bug, but it's not.  
 
I often wonder when people complain of bugs, are they really bugs, or is it user-error or some problem with their system? This stuff is very, very complex.  I too have made the mistake numerous times thinking there's a bug when it is my error.  Not that there are not bugs, there are.  But if people knew how to troubleshoot better, AND if people would bother to read the manual, they might find out how to resolve something more quickly.  I know this is true for me.
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 

For someone considering moving from Cakewalk's Music Creator 6 to SX2, this kind of thread headline makes me doubtful about the move.

Guys I think you ought to look up the OP's name. It has a meaning. 

leebut


For someone considering moving from Cakewalk's Music Creator 6 to SX2, this kind of thread headline makes me doubtful about the move.

FWIW I am enjoying X2. You can try the demo and see for yourself if it is going to work for you or not.