Bajan Blue

Gong back to X1 or 8.5.3 means losing functionality and some cool new features I am now accustomed to

Michael
I appreciate what you are saying here and it is one of the reasons that I went back to X1 almost immediately after installing and trying X2 for a week or so way back in September last year.
For me some of the graphics bugs were a real deal breaker.
So back to X1 for stability issues and also so I wouldn't get use to anything I might like in X2!!!
When the first patch came out, I installed it right away, but to be frank, it didn't seem to improve things much, so back to X1!


I have now owned X2 since September 2012 - like yourself I am a very long term Cakewalk user - I started with Guitar Tracks many many years ago.


I do feel Cakewalk are dropping the ball with this lack of bug fixes - I know some are weird and almost seem machine specific, but enough people are reporting the same sort of things that Cakewalk should / must be aware that they need to do more with regard to these problems.
X2 is a PREMIUM product both cost wise and feature wise.
It is being let down by sloppy "after sales" care so to speak.
I never thought I would say this, but I am becoming  a little concerned that Cakewalk's customer care / support could be following the Native Instruments model!!!!!!!!
I think they need a rethink. There are other options available and whilst I have no desire whatsoever to swap DAW's just like that, this lack of support from Cakewalk would most certainly preclude me from purchasing any paid upgrade / new version of Sonar at the moment.
If they do not fix X2, this will probably be my last Cakewalk purchase.
X1 works for me and I shall just keep to that and investigate other products.

Nigel

Couldn't have said it better, Nigel.  Some of the features in X2 looked attractive in the promos, but I've had 0% use out of them due to stability probs.  I've been on the Cakewalk train since Sonar 2, but this has been the most disappointing release yet for me.  FWIW, I consider 8.5.3 a high point and I'll likely stick with 8.5.3 and X1 for as long as possible.

Nigel - you've hit the nail on the head. I'm going to have to go back to X1 - which I'm really not happy about - and wait for X2 to be fixed. In the meantime I'm going to start sizing up alternatives.

dorism:

"Spent about 2hrs submitting bug reports this evening! Onwards and upwards."


Thank you, dorism! 

I've submitted 5 or so manually as well as the 50+ automated ones when it's crashed, but have lost steam on it as, so far as I know, only one's been sent to development so far, even though they're all reproducible - at least the ones I've submitted manually. 

I miss the stability of X1d, but have to say that, given some of the new features in X2, it's hard to imagine going back to it. 

That said, I wish Cake would be more communicative about when the next update will be coming down the pike - or, for that matter, more communicative in general. It's been nice to see Andrew on the forum a few times recently, but, as others have noted from time to time, I sure miss the regular presences of Seth and Brandon.

I hope we all get relief soon from at least some of the many bugs in X2. It's great in design; the execution... not so much.

I've gone back to X1d. Nothing back from Cakewalk support since I raised the bugs. I've started looking at Cubase 7 & Pro Tools 10 - an eye opening experience. I downloaded the Reason 7 demo, just to try out its audio quantising/time stretching functionality - it is light years ahead of Sonar - much more instant, accurate and easy to use. Not that Reason would tick all of my boxes but its interesting to see where the competition is these days. Even Studio One looks competitive. I think I'd jump onto Cubase 7 right now looking at the reviews and feedback from forums. Just wish it wasn't circa £500!

dorism


I've gone back to X1d. Nothing back from Cakewalk support since I raised the bugs. I've started looking at Cubase 7 & Pro Tools 10 - an eye opening experience. I downloaded the Reason 7 demo, just to try out its audio quantising/time stretching functionality - it is light years ahead of Sonar - much more instant, accurate and easy to use. Not that Reason would tick all of my boxes but its interesting to see where the competition is these days. Even Studio One looks competitive. I think I'd jump onto Cubase 7 right now looking at the reviews and feedback from forums. Just wish it wasn't circa £500!

Just a bump to get this thread active again - per my reply to a different thread.  I'll try to review this one in a little bit - right after I try to convince my homemade soup to cooperate with me - it's taking FOREVER.


Bob Bone

Another crash tonight. I sent a report.

dorism


Still persevering with X2a - overall I think stability is better than it was- still more crashes than x1d or 8.x but going in the right direction. My major beef at the moment are the graphical bugs. Sometimes hitting solo or mute causes the sort of 'ripple' effect through the project as the screen gets redrawn, track by track. It is bizarre and pretty embarrassing when working with others. I also have the dreaded moving bug - i.e. when you try and move a clip to another track but it jumps around - everywhere in fact except where you want to put it. Its got so bad I actually tried to download a Cubase 7 demo - however they expect you buy a dongle to try it! major fail from Steinberg. Fingers crossed for a major bug release soon.

I did some hunting around for other threads with screen redraw issues reported, for X2, and found the following thread:


http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2745317


Something perhaps going on with the auto-zoom feature, and a suggestion that turning that off causes the redraws to instantly fix themselves.


Here is another thread on redraw/graphics:


http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2711798


There was one other thread suggesting performance may benefit for graphics by using the Windows video drivers, rather than video-card drivers.  I didn't include it because the above is pretty much the content of it.


I will look into this more during the day Thursday.


Bob Bone

thanks Bob. much appreciated mate. I have checked out the threads. looks very similar to the issues I'm seeing. I'll try out some of the suggestions and see if it makes any difference.

Went back to a brand new fresh build of W7. Same issues. I am gutted. Thank you for all the assistance guys. Much appreciated I've ordered Cubase 7 but I'm not abandoning Sonar completely. I still think it will come good with some serious bug fixing. Fingers crossed there will be a x2b release which nails it. Learning curve time again.

dorism


Went back to a brand new fresh build of W7. Same issues. I am gutted. Thank you for all the assistance guys. Much appreciated I've ordered Cubase 7 but I'm not abandoning Sonar completely. I still think it will come good with some serious bug fixing. Fingers crossed there will be a x2b release which nails it. Learning curve time again.

Hi - sorry the Win 7 load didn't help - it was certainly worth a try.


You had indicated you were going to try out some of the stuff per the links I posted earlier, but I do not see any post back from you indicating which of those you tried, and what specific results resulted.


Can you please post back with as much detail as possible, on which of those things you tried, and what happened?


I will also take a spin back through this thread and see if I perhaps missed something, or maybe the little light bulb in my head will go off with some new direction of hope.


Thanks, 


Bob Bone