Hi,
I could not find any mention of notation improvement in Sonar X1.  Does anybody know if there are any changes in the notation engine?
Thanks,
Sergio

sergiobklyn


Hi,
I could not find any mention of notation improvement in Sonar X1.  Does anybody know if there are any changes in the notation engine?
Thanks,
Sergio

Only minor things:

The UI was redesigned.
The Chord, Expression, Hairpin, Lyric, and Pedal tools now display shading to indicate appropriate draw locations for each.
Some minor bug fixes in the context menus.

We do realize Staff View is important to a good portion of SONAR users and we do still hope to enhance the Staff View more substantially in the future under the framework of the new Skylight interface.

Thanks for the prompt reply.
Sergio

At least that is some level of progression. Thanks.

still hope to enhance the Staff View more substantially in the future

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

sergiobklyn


Hi,
I could not find any mention of notation improvement in Sonar X1.  Does anybody know if there are any changes in the notation engine?
Thanks,
Sergio

Only minor things:

The UI was redesigned.
The Chord, Expression, Hairpin, Lyric, and Pedal tools now display shading to indicate appropriate draw locations for each.
Some minor bug fixes in the context menus.

We do realize Staff View is important to a good portion of SONAR users and we do still hope to enhance the Staff View more substantially in the future under the framework of the new Skylight interface.

"Hope" to enhance staff view?  Oh man, sounds like it isn't even in the pipeline 

we do still hope to enhance the Staff View more substantially in the future under the framework of the new Skylight interface

 
I'm one of the "old" guys around here who learned to orchestrate on a paper score.  Does the new Skylight interface allow me to "dock" a few staff views?    My "scoring pad" has far too many staves to be viewed in a single staff view, and I must constantly be changing my staff view to different groupings of instruments in order to complete my work.  This would be worth the 99 bucks to me ALONE.  It will save me HOURS and HOURS and HOURS.
 
I have learned to live with the idiosyncrasies of the staff view, it is essentially unchanged since Pro Audio 9, which I think is about 10 years now.  I do my scoring in Sonar then export to Finale for the human players and singers. 
 
One REALLY NICE FEATURE would be the ability to introduce a new clef in the middle of the piece, or an 8va, 8vb, loco marker set.   I already drive some  people crazy by using tenor C-clef for my French horns.  It lets me write them in concert pitches, never could think transposed.  Drives me bananas.  I quit playing the saxophone after a week in the 5th grade and switched to the tuba.  Couldn't think transposed then, either.   Been the same for 49 years.  Had bad chops then, have bad ones now.  My timing is atrocious.  I know what to do, and what it should sound like, but doing it with my hands escapes me.
 
Sonar is very bad at leger lines, and so am I 
 

pbognar

still hope to enhance the Staff View more substantially in the future

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

sergiobklyn



Hi,
I could not find any mention of notation improvement in Sonar X1.  Does anybody know if there are any changes in the notation engine?
Thanks,
Sergio

Only minor things:

The UI was redesigned.
The Chord, Expression, Hairpin, Lyric, and Pedal tools now display shading to indicate appropriate draw locations for each.
Some minor bug fixes in the context menus.

We do realize Staff View is important to a good portion of SONAR users and we do still hope to enhance the Staff View more substantially in the future under the framework of the new Skylight interface.

"Hope" to enhance staff view?  Oh man, sounds like it isn't even in the pipeline 

The only things in the 'pipeline" currently are bug fixes.

"Hope" to enhance staff view?  Oh man, sounds like it isn't even in the pipeline 

I've finally realized "we hope to" means that Sonar will never have notation on par with it's competitors.  We've been hearing it's "in the pipeline" for many many years.  They will always sell more to the ever growing "loopy-paint-by-numbers crowd".  I wish Cakewalk had admitted this years ago so we could look elsewhere instead of waiting for development that will never be scheduled.  

They will always sell more to the ever growing "loopy-paint-by-numbers crowd". 
 
Yep.  Although, this "docking" ability intrigues me.  If I am interpreting this right, I can set up my groupings of instruments in staff views and "dock" them and recall that exact grouping, work in it, and put it away without destroying the grouping.  I currently spend lots of time setting up instrument groupings for my one staff view which
keeps re-opening in the new grouping.  Otherwise, I wind up with a very cluttered pair of monitors which is hard to work in and the minimized tab of the windows is impossible to discern from any other minimized window.  So keeping them open and minimized is not a good solution, either.
 
I have entertained the thought of trying another DAW because the notation abilities are better in it.  Sonar hasn't changed notation code since more than 10 years ago in Pro Audio.   But I'm afraid of the "learning curve" - from how long it took me to learn Cakewalk.
 

I probably will be sorry I'm getting involved in this discussion but....you really have to look pretty hard in any of the ads for the Sonar line talking about staff view yet alone calling it in any way a product that does notation.....