boblette


I probably will be sorry I'm getting involved in this discussion but....you really have to look pretty hard in any of the ads for the Sonar line talking about staff view yet alone calling it in any way a product that does notation.....

Why would Cakewalk call attention to something which hasn't been updated in years?  Also, in its current form, it is not sexy enough to draw attention to.  (Don't get me wrong, I am happy they at least have a staff view / editor, otherwise I would never have bought the product.)

Contrast that with marketing for Logic and Pro Tools, even Garage Band - they yell and scream about how the MIDI notes instantly appear on the staff as they are played in.

If Sonar staff view EVER gets a make-over, you can bet it will be in your face.

This is the question on my mind as well. Cake has been saying it is on the cards for many years. Last year they at least offered some workaround by offering the Notion pack. I am now composing mostly in Notion and then record live instruments in Sonar. This is just a workaround and not the sollution. All the "real" competitors offer almost all the functionality of Noton INSIDE the DAW (admittedly usually at more cost), not as an re-wire option. Rewire only works in 32 bit any way and generally sucks as workaround. Each year I get a little bit more disapointed in Cakewalk's obvious lack of interest in doing anything about the notation view. Great software and I still love Sonar, but how long can one man hold his breath?

Sepheritoh


This is the question on my mind as well. Cake has been saying it is on the cards for many years. Last year they at least offered some workaround by offering the Notion pack. I am now composing mostly in Notion and then record live instruments in Sonar. This is just a workaround and not the sollution. All the "real" competitors offer almost all the functionality of Noton INSIDE the DAW (admittedly usually at more cost), not as an re-wire option. Rewire only works in 32 bit any way and generally sucks as workaround. Each year I get a little bit more disapointed in Cakewalk's obvious lack of interest in doing anything about the notation view. Great software and I still love Sonar, but how long can one man hold his breath?

  Precisely my point.  Rewire is flawed, cumbersome, time sucking workaround.  Cakewalk seems to have decided that scoring is not important.  Why do Protools, Logic, Cubase and Performer think they are important?

vintagevibe

Sepheritoh


This is the question on my mind as well. Cake has been saying it is on the cards for many years. Last year they at least offered some workaround by offering the Notion pack. I am now composing mostly in Notion and then record live instruments in Sonar. This is just a workaround and not the sollution. All the "real" competitors offer almost all the functionality of Noton INSIDE the DAW (admittedly usually at more cost), not as an re-wire option. Rewire only works in 32 bit any way and generally sucks as workaround. Each year I get a little bit more disapointed in Cakewalk's obvious lack of interest in doing anything about the notation view. Great software and I still love Sonar, but how long can one man hold his breath?

Precisely my point.  Rewire is flawed, cumbersome, time sucking workaround.  Cakewalk seems to have decided that scoring is not important.  Why do Protools, Logic, Cubase and Performer think they are important?

Agreed.

I don't want to rain on the X1 parade - it looks like there have been great improvements made with regard to workflow - and the software isn't even out yet.

But when it appears that even fixing problems in the staff view, let alone redesigning it are not a priority, combined with having to buy a newer computer to run X1, I'm going to have to carefully weigh my options.

I only use staff view for data editing and creation - no printing for me, but the current limitations with tied tuplets and embedded rests is irritating.

So I have to look at the cost of hardware and the software upgrade, along with the current staff view limitations and weigh them against what X1 actually offers in the way of usability, stability and enabling the creative process.

And then I'll have to make a decision.  I'm not getting any younger.

Same here.  I print and set up scores in Sibelius.  I want to be able to compose in Sonar.

I think my biggest beef with the notation view is not that this looks like a mess, but that I want to be able to write music in this DAW using something resembling notes on staves, not blocks on a graph. It makes much more aesthetic sense as a symphonic violinist who has studied scores to be able to use a form of notation that has been established and taught for hundreds of years. It doesn't have to be printable. I just want to be able to write a piccolo line and know where the range is automatically, without having to try and decipher on a graph where the lowest note lies.

You could incorporate aspects of the piano roll, such as layering of instruments on a single grand staff.

Incorporate a way to vertically move rests.

Add a key-switch to easily change enharmonic equivalents.

Do something... :(

some1namedjeff

+1 to all the above posts on abysmal Notation feature of Sonar!!!!

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE...... It's sooooo overdue! As someone mentioned, it's been well over 10 years without any kind of serious attention to this feature.

And ditto with how subpar this feature is compared to competitors! Are you paying attention Cake? Do you know how advanced Notation is in ALL the major competitors?

Also very tired to see how you are catering to the "loopy-paint-by-numbers crowd". Anyone still wondering why Sonar is not taken seriously in the music industry?? Try imagining if Photoshop color systems replaced by a poor kiddie like "paint-by-numbers"? Of course, no professionals would take PS seriously!!!

Cake, MANY of us are trained musicians and maybe you need to be reminded that NOTATION is the language of music!

I have bought many upgrades of Cakewalk/Pro Audio/Sonar (still have the floppy disk of v1.0 of 20 years ago!). But I have refused and will refuse to upgrade until Notation is at least brought up to par with your competitors.

It's time!!!

A reply from anyone at CAKE would be appreciated...

PS otherwise, very sweet work on X1...............

+1 to all the above posts on abysmal Notation feature of Sonar!!!!

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE...... It's sooooo overdue! As someone mentioned, it's been well over 10 years without any kind of serious attention to this feature.

And ditto with how subpar this feature is compared to competitors! Are you paying attention Cake? Do you know how advanced Notation is in ALL the major competitors?

Also very tired to see how you are catering to the "loopy-paint-by-numbers crowd". Anyone still wondering why Sonar is not taken seriously in the music industry?? Try imagining if Photoshop color systems replaced by a poor kiddie like "paint-by-numbers"? Of course, no professionals would take PS seriously!!!

Cake, MANY of us are trained musicians and maybe you need to be reminded that NOTATION is the language of music!

I have bought many upgrades of Cakewalk/Pro Audio/Sonar (still have the floppy disk of v1.0 of 20 years ago!). But I have refused and will refuse to upgrade until Notation is at least brought up to par with your competitors.

It's time!!!

A reply from anyone at CAKE would be appreciated...

PS otherwise, very sweet work on X1...............

As much as I like using Cakewalk/Sonar and am familiar with it (user since Pro Audio 9), this IS a subject which has been ignored. People on the forums have been asking for improvements to the Staff View and told change is just around the corner for AGES. I spend a lot of time in the Staff View - it looks ugly and (after spending a little time with Sibelius 6) it's also painful to use!
 
I'm due for a DAW upgrade and I'll definitely be having a look at the notation features in Cubase 5.x before I upgrade to Sonar X1.