djwayne


I think it should be optional. I rarely have any use for written music, heck I don't even have a printer connected to my computer. (Any printing I want done, i just e-mail it to myself then go to the library and use the printer there to do my printing jobs. This saves me a fortune on printers and ink !!) But it would be nice to see my music scored out occassionally.

If the need arises, I'll buy a copy of Finale.

As posted elsewhere probably hundreds of times that is not a solution.  I have Sibelius and Notion and I still need usable notation inside a DAW.  Do a search here on notation.

djwayne


I think it should be optional. I rarely have any use for written music, heck I don't even have a printer connected to my computer. (Any printing I want done, i just e-mail it to myself then go to the library and use the printer there to do my printing jobs. This saves me a fortune on printers and ink !!) But it would be nice to see my music scored out occassionally.

If the need arises, I'll buy a copy of Finale.

djwayne - see post #26. 

For Sonar, it is an accepted fact that for printing a score, exporting MIDI to a dedicated notation program is the best alternative. 

What we are trying to address are deficiencies in the staff view / editor WITHIN Sonar so that the staff view can be better used DURING the creation process, not necessarily at the END of the creation process.  <sorry, don't mean to offend anyone with the bold, UPPER CASE and underscored text>

When I needed to leave the Logic PC platform, and I was looking for a PC replacement, I would not have considered anything without an active MIDI notation editor.

I started with Music Creator 3, then on to Sonar HS6XL, and finally Sonar Producer.  The current staff view is inline with what I paid for MC3 and HS6XL, but not Producer.  My hope was that the staff view would evolve to what was in Logic PC.

I don't want to be a wet blanket.  Sonar X1 looks like a big improvement from the UI and workflow front <"stealing with pride" from Logic / Studio One>.  Clips were a great concept <"stealing with pride from Acid"> as well as the Matrix view. 

But, I'm not thrilled about having to potentially upgrade my computer to continue on the Sonar "Love Train", ESPECIALLY if there are no improvements to the staff view.  I mean, this is Roland we are talking about now.  You would think that they have deep enough pockets to just buy some notation technology and integrate it.  The Matrix view was successfully integrated <"stealing with pride" from Ableton, but with a Cakewalk twist>.  Why can't there be some "stealing with pride" to compete with Cubase, Pro Tools, and Logic on the notation front?

Frankly, and I've said this before, considering the other things Sonar has to offer, I would be satisfied if the handful of limitations in the current staff view were resolved.  But it is my understanding that the code behind the staff view can no longer be modified.

<sorry it was not my intent to ramble on like that, I was originally going to post what vintagevibe posted above, but it I got carried away>

Sonar X1 looks great, but it`s disappointing that the staff view is much the same as it was. Let`s hope the bakers do something about that in the next version.

Best, JH

Well I hope they do intergrate so existing notation program, that would be nice. But it's not necessary for my needs, and I don't want to be forced into having to pay an extra $200-300 just for notation capabilities.

It's not a deal maker or breaker for me.

djwayne


Well I hope they do intergrate so existing notation program, that would be nice. But it's not necessary for my needs, and I don't want to be forced into having to pay an extra $200-300 just for notation capabilities.

It's not a deal maker or breaker for me.

I doubt that you'd have to pay an extra $200-300.  Just take a look at the score editor in Apple's Garage Band.  Most look down on GB, but it's score editor blows away Sonar's.

Just take a look at the score editor in Apple's Garage Band.  Most look down on GB, but it's score editor blows away Sonar's.

That makes me want to cry.

I wouldn't want to get rid of it because its handy for editing since I don't use the Piano Roll View at all. Just stop advertising it as notation. A little truth in advertising would lower expectations to the appropriate level.

daveny5


I wouldn't want to get rid of it because its handy for editing since I don't use the Piano Roll View at all. Just stop advertising it as notation. A little truth in advertising would lower expectations to the appropriate level.

We in Information Technology call it "Managing Expectations" 

Interesting timing:  Protools 9 anounced

ADC
96 tracks
works on any hardware
notation derived from Sibelius
iLock

Hmmm the ProTools 9 announcement is interesting. Cakewalk really do not want to lose customers to AVID, at that price (for PT9) X1 is cheaper but...it's close enough to compete. Notation might get a much higher priority now in Sonar...lets see.

I think X1 on paper is still better value IMO but no question about it PT9 is a much closer competitor with the necessity for their hardware removed.

I think Cakewalk surely will spend more time on notation before the next version of Sonar. The DAW market place is getting increasingly competitive. AVID are probably the most difficult of all the competitors Cakewalk have now. No x64 support in PT9 by the looks of things yet. But that might not be enough of a problem for some as they will expect that to arrive soon enough. Interesting times. Very interesting. Notation in PT9 is not bad by the look of this video.

Still X1 is better value though IMO.