Perhaps we should come up with a MOST WANTED features list for the Staff View? (So Cakewalk can have fun burning it on New Year's Eve!)

 
OK. Here's my two cents. And it should be simple to impliment. Just as the Piano roll is available as an in-line editor for each track in track view, add notation as an option.

Atleast the slight GUI changes for the staff editor seem like a start (check the zoomed picture in the X1 Essentials page). I hope Cakewalk did something about the spacing issues on ledger lines...

OT: Reaper devs said Reaper will have a staff editor, just didn't state when. Hopefully Reaper 4 is getting a midi overhaul so would seem likely. Only a couple of weeks to go. :)

Sepheritoh


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Each year I get a little bit more disapointed in Cakewalk's obvious lack of interest in doing anything about the notation view. Great software and I still love Sonar, but how long can one man hold his breath?

<sigh> In my case...no longer.

dreddick

Sepheritoh


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Each year I get a little bit more disapointed in Cakewalk's obvious lack of interest in doing anything about the notation view. Great software and I still love Sonar, but how long can one man hold his breath?

<sigh> In my case...no longer.

Ok - I'll bite.  What did you decide to do? 
 
I'm weighing my options.

Ok - I'll bite.  What did you decide to do? 
 
I'm weighing my options.

Nothing yet - but have now started shopping around and looking at options for the first time.

I was just digging around to see if staff view and the lyrics view bugs were fixed - apparently not. We've been promised improvements for 10 years now. After fighting with the lyrics view to produce simple lead sheets for my music course, and getting no help from tech support, I've decided Cakewalk are not getting another cent from me.

The announcement of Pro Tools 9 running on open hardware (mentioned above) is very attractive. I'll miss the Sonitus Suite and the soft synths but I'm not putting up with this buggy software any more. Regardless of what Cakewalk might claim Pro Tools is the industry standard and being able to work with commercial studios more easily will be a big plus. 

Brett


I was just digging around to see if staff view and the lyrics view bugs were fixed - apparently not. We've been promised improvements for 10 years now. After fighting with the lyrics view to produce simple lead sheets for my music course, and getting no help from tech support, I've decided Cakewalk are not getting another cent from me.

The announcement of Pro Tools 9 running on open hardware (mentioned above) is very attractive. I'll miss the Sonitus Suite and the soft synths but I'm not putting up with this buggy software any more. Regardless of what Cakewalk might claim Pro Tools is the industry standard and being able to work with commercial studios more easily will be a big plus. 
 
I'm not singling your comment out specifically but this is an example of where the differing requirements of Staff View users may be causing us to lose out.   I've used Staff View for 100s of projects since the Pro Audio days to input MIDI info (I've never really used PRV).  I worked as an arranger and copyist in the days when it was all done with a pen and paper so I’m fairly aware of any limitations it may have in this respect (such as the tuplet thing) but for me Staff View has remained a crucial and, up until X1, very usable tool for inputting musical material.  However, I would not expect to be able to use it to produce printable parts or scores to perform or teach from - that's a whole other application and I think it's unrealistic, and frankly a bit naive, to expect that from what is essentially a music creation package.    I think Cakewalk developers (to their credit) have tried to respond to these unrealistic demands but it means we are ending up with a 'half-assed' package where the 'real' workflow- using notation to input MIDI info - has got slower in X1 while the illustrative stuff  like chord symbols, lyrics and expression marks (which to me is pointless, and well catered for elsewhere in apps specifically designed to score/part writing) has got a bit easier.  Sonar is never going to be one of those applications and nor should it be expected to be one.  I'm not surprised the developers give the notation function a low priority if they feel they are being pressed to provide this.   Personally, I'd like to see them draw a line under the issue and decide they'll maintain a notation tool for inputting, but also make it clear that it is not intended to be capable of producing printable sheet music.  Going back to the quicker inputting functionality of 8.5.3 would be a start.
 
I know this only one person's view and will catch some flak but the main point is that not all calls for improvements to Staff View are necessarily pulling in the same direction and some might be counter-productive.

Combo, the flak you are going to catch is for not reading what I wrote. I used the word "bugs", not ”enhancements”, and I referred to "lyrics view" twice.

I take it you know what a lead sheet is? Melody, lyrics, and chords.

B

Brett


Combo, the flak you are going to catch is for not reading what I wrote. I used the word "bugs", not ”enhancements”, and I referred to "lyrics view" twice.

I take it you know what a lead sheet is? Melody, lyrics, and chords.

B

I don't understand your comment but as I said (if you read what I wrote) I was only using it as an example, not challenging its detail.  Regardless of bugs or enhancements, I'm saying Sonar shouldn't cater for the production of printed music, which would of course include lead sheets.

What if there came a piece of code on a NOTEPAD (Apple) so you could view and edit notes on this additional screen? With the current power of Quad and Dual 6 computers some additional hardware doesn't slow down anything. This way you could take the notepad to the couch, write something, hit play and see if it matches up your expectation....

Such a tool would be great for Sonar X2 I think. And if they would stick to bug-fixing X1 now, that would be totally fine by me....

Above mentioned plug would be awesome on selected mobile phones aswell. But I'd love to hear from experienced writers/composers how large the desired screen should be for comfortable writing.
 
A Roland NOTEPAD would be swell too.