Combo,
You're using my post as an example but not singling it out? I doubt any one would understand what you mean by that.

A bug is an error in a programme, it doesn't do what was intended and maybe causes harm (eg corrupted data or a crash). An enhancement is new functionality. The score view and lyrics view have BUGS that have not been fixed since at least Sonar 5. The lyrics view is unusable, that's what I want fixed - then my lead sheets would be fine. If you have ever used lyrics then you will be familiar with these bugs.


ETA: Furthermore the point about Sonar not competing with Sibelius and Finale was made on the previous page and it's been regularly repeated on this forum. We want notation for composition, not publishing; you seem to have confused this by referring to "score/part writing".

Well Bretti I picked the wrong comment as an example didn't I?  You've totally misunderstood my point.  Please don't reiterate your points about bugs and stuff because I wasn't adressing them in the first place - I was simply saying there are differing points of view on the notation function for example people like yourself who use it to print lyrics and people like me who don't think there should be a lyrics view in the first place - and that the issue would be better being clarified one way or another.  Finally (and I mean finally), I only use notation for composition, not publishing, that was my entire bloody point, which you misunderstood, entirely.

Combo, I did understand your point, you simply didn't take the time to understand mine. You just saw something about printing and went off on a strawman about publishing - something no one wants in Sonar.

You're obviously not a songwriter. It's impossible to write a song with out lyrics, regardless of issues about printing.

I'd pay an upgrade fee for good notation on top of the X1 upgrade price once the rough edges are smoothed off. (I'd do the same thing for the matrix if it was up to Ableton standards.) I agree with a previous comment about the advertising of features raising expectations too high. However it's because I generally prefer using Sonar (8.53 at this moment) to both Cubase 5.5 and Ableton (8.whatever it is) that I care about the future of Sonar and hope it will improve in these areas that matter to me.

On the other hand, i hope you really don't expect that a future release will trnsform sonar's notation system into Sibelius (even though that would be cool).

giankap


On the other hand, i hope you really don't expect that a future release will trnsform sonar's notation system into Sibelius (even though that would be cool).

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Nope we don't want that. I want MXML support plus a functional staff view would be nice. Plus a couple of years ago we had a thread going
and one of the forum member  made a mock up of staff view with the PRV and it was great. Lines going from each view showing where they were tied together.  Neat thing, in the discussion was how you could lock say a quarter note in the staff view but shorten it in the PRV with simple editing.
With the new GUI I think this can be done. Still a Cakewalk Fan, but not holding my breath anymore. First time in a while that I didn't upgrade right away. More because of my disappointment that no Staff view attention was given than dislike of X1 in general. I know there will be bugs on a new Cakewalk release, but I usually like to help report them to help iron them out.
 
Notation needed to expand Cakewalk market. My thinking on this is it would really help Cakewalk in the educator market.
Anyway my 2 cents again on the subject.

InstrEd

giankap


On the other hand, i hope you really don't expect that a future release will trnsform sonar's notation system into Sibelius (even though that would be cool).

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Nope we don't want that. I want MXML support plus a functional staff view would be nice. Plus a couple of years ago we had a thread going
and one of the forum member  made a mock up of staff view with the PRV and it was great. Lines going from each view showing where they were tied together.  Neat thing, in the discussion was how you could lock say a quarter note in the staff view but shorten it in the PRV with simple editing.
With the new GUI I think this can be done. Still a Cakewalk Fan, but not holding my breath anymore. First time in a while that I didn't upgrade right away. More because of my disappointment that no Staff view attention was given than dislike of X1 in general. I know there will be bugs on a new Cakewalk release, but I usually like to help report them to help iron them out.

Notation needed to expand Cakewalk market. My thinking on this is it would really help Cakewalk in the educator market.
Anyway my 2 cents again on the subject.

+100 for functional Staff View and integration.  Also  MXML support for those who wish to publish.

IMHO, if X1 had not been about the UI and workflow, this would have been the year of the Staff View.

giankap


On the other hand, i hope you really don't expect that a future release will trnsform sonar's notation system into Sibelius (even though that would be cool).

No one thinks, wants or has ever said that.  We need notation on par with Logic, Cubase and Protools.  Sadly Cakewalk will likely never do that given their current direction.  They very rarely refine things, opting instead to add more and more bells and whistles.  They lowered their price and are going for a consumer market instead of a professional market.  We're not going to see professional notation, video support, MXML or even a Session Drummer or Audio Snap that competes with anything else out there.

OK, just to add a new wrinkle to an already decrepit and dead horse.  I put in  problem report regarding the fact that snap to doesn't always work in staff view in X1, and they sent me back a closed report saying that feature isn't supported in X1. They recommended I put in a feature request.

The problem, of course, is that snap to in staff view worked fine in 8.5, so I'm really confused.  Are they intentionally taking a step backwards in staff view and note placement?  Can anyone shed light on this?

Thanks,

 Sorry a little OT...I didn't read through all the posts but I did read on another post a few weeks ago that Cw acquired a company that dose notation,, This leads me to believe that X2 will have a full blown Notation..