Hi all,this method is described in the Bob Kat's books like "microdynamics" that is the first solution for dynamic problems.Best

aleef

I'm not understanding this. How are you controlling dynamics using clip gain? 

please !! Sir!! anytime you have a feature that can increase or decrease loud and soft passages  or what have you!! is a certain DYNAMIC CONTROL..


and John I"m not going to get into it with you today man...you know deep down you want that feature man...

I hope you guys are not confusing automation with clip gain.(In Sonar its also called an envelope) I can't see how a visual change of the wave form is any different from a gain level line. They both do exactly the same thing. Saying this somehow also controls dynamics but only with the visual change it absurd.

That is the reason for the question. Now if it can't be explained because its ridiculous so be it.  

They both do exactly the same thing.

its not the samething!!  the OP may have saw a different and more effecient way of doing things. and is curious as to why?.. like i said the feature is so simple in concept, i could be wrong..but the OP wants to edit from the waveform on playback in realtime..and wants to see and hear the adjustments in realtime.. without having to go back and re-adjust.

aleef

They both do exactly the same thing.

its not the samething!!  the OP may have saw a different and more effecient way of doing things. and is curious as to why?.. like i said the feature is so simple in concept, i could be wrong..but the OP wants to edit from the waveforn on playback in realtime..and wants to see and hear the adjustments in realtime.. without having to go back and re-adjust.

Real time is not an issue. Nor does hearing a change. I am talking about a change in the visual graphic waveform having any ability to control dynamics. That was the assertion you made and implied that Sonar's envelopes were not able to do this. 

My point is that this may give one a nice visual look but it can't add anything more than what has been in use for as long as Sonar has been around. 

The example of Sonar doing fades is a useful way to understand my point. Now it lets us see a decrease in the size visually in the wave form but a line or curve is also there to make it clear just what is happening. In fact if no change was done visually as it has been the case for many years the need for the line would still be there. And the ability to fade would still be there. 

It is not an essential ability. 

just to add some insult to injury,
 I remember the days I didn't look or focus on the waveforms, I used my ears.
I still do that now, sometimes when I get frustrated with a mix I shut off waveforms and go back to basics.
when I re engage the waveforms to view in analysis modes I often see things I normally may have done different and it makes me realize how effective / deterrent visuals have become.

Chuckebaby, I noticed you were on line, I have a quick question: I'm firing up Sonar for the first time in about 6 years. How do you switch to Track View? I think its supposed to be the default view, but what I'm seeing is different from what appears when you look at a finished song, or even an unfinished one. I've looked thru the thick Manual, but it doesn't show it in the list of shortcuts or anywhere else. Please Help!!!! TIA CF

Up at the top under your "View" menu is where you select Console view, track view, etc.

I am talking about a change in the visual graphic waveform having any ability to control dynamics. That was the assertion you made and implied that Sonar's envelopes were not able to do this. 

yes..the ability to manipulate the waveform on the db scale is controlling the dynamics. there are many steps in volume envelopes in Sonar. its not a 1 click on the fly process. the waveform in Sonar is permanent  on the db scale even after automation and volume envelopes, which is inaccurate visually. Pro Tools allows you to isolate any portion of the waveform and edit by eye. and can we please just cut the crap with using our ears, when we all have to rely on visual cues in the DAW world.  and you know you are still dependent on metering and monitoring.

the ability to manipulate the waveform on the db scale is controlling the dynamics. there are many steps in volume envelopes in Sonar. its not a 1 click on the fly process. the waveform in Sonar is permanent on the db scale even after automation and volume envelopes, which is inaccurate visually.

 
50/50
 
First 50 - Ctrl+Drag on the upper portion of a clip will give you a clip gain envelope on your cursor, so it is a one click/step process.  If you want to modify after the fact it's Shift+Click.  Still one click.
 
Second 50 - No, the waveform display does not visually change to reflect the clip gain envelope you just modified.
 
After reading all the posts in this thread I would like this feature too.  I think it sounds like a good idea.   I don't consider it essential though; i.e., I can edit and mix just fine without it.  It's more of a convenience thing IMO.   Then again, who am I to turn down a convenience feature.