mmorgan

I'm bailing to Cubase.

 
The following is not a slam on Cubase, just my experience:
 
  I've been working with Cubase for a few months and while there are many things that make it a fine DAW I consistently find myself at a loss as to why something is done the way it is. 

I've not spent as much time with Cubase, either, but I have spent a LOT of time Mastering with Wavelab (since version 4). Much of that deployment, is touted to be largely the work of one man. Although Wavelab 7 is quite nice I agree there is some element of culture or direction Steinberg routinely takes that just simply doesn't make sense. And it's their way or the highway in many cases. For some things, I feel Cakewalk has the same opinion, such as how to delete a Send, for example. That is certainly not intuitive, and I know people have had to dig for that one. 

But Steinberg is pretty darn callous in listening as well. I think they've become a bit snooty in some regards because they've been successful with Cubase and Nuendo. They've got some pretty big customers.

I don't think we'll win totally with any DAW, but as longs as prices are relative to each other for each brand, we can own two or three of them and decide over time who to stick with. That's also the reason I don't invest in a DAW maker's plug-ins. Fortunately, there are many that are VST. 

gcolbert Ian - just because something does not work how you want it to does not make it a bug. If the feature is working as designed it is not a bug. Granted, it may have been easier for YOU in another version, but the more features that are added the more complex the GUI becomes. Possibly if you were opening feature requests instead of bug reports for things that are not bugs the folks at Cakewalk may have something to respond to you with. Glen The piano roll doesn't open to the now time. Getting it there requires an extra start/stop once it's opened. Audio clips mostly aren't activated in the inspector when you click on them. It takes a couple of extra clicks to get them activated. Have you ever tried time stretching an audio clip from the inspector? (it CAN be done, but I doubt you'll find the instructions anywhere). Those are bugs IMO. I don't think these are designed functions. I think it's just clunky, sloppy, poorly tested coding.

 
Ian - These are not bugs.  They are even less than features.  They are specifications - or requests for specifications.  The term 'bug' is not open to interpretation.  A bug is when a program does not perform the function that it was written to perform.  If the specifications for selecting an audio clip mean that the user has to click fifteen times it is not a bug if it was written to require a user to click fifteen times.  You should not expect a response from Cakewalk when you report these as bugs - they are not (well the PRV initial view MAY be).
 
Glen

John

...Feature Requests have a lot more to do with what is in Sonar than this forum.

I've never seen any evidence that feature requests are ever taken up.

  Ok Here I list some of the features I got via Feature requests 

1 MIDI meters
2 Better Mackie Control support
3 Inline Piano Roll
4 Auto Zoom
5 Susan G got the Pause Key
6 The track Inspector
7 Confidence recording
And a ton of others
The above are my feature requests except the pause key.

John


  Ok Here I list some of the features I got via Feature requests 

1 MIDI meters
2 Better Mackie Control support
3 Inline Piano Roll
4 Auto Zoom
5 Susan G got the Pause Key
6 The track Inspector
7 Confidence recording
And a ton of others
The above are my feature requests except the pause key.

Also, even though I could have done without them instrument tracks requested by P5 users after it was discontinued.

rabeach

Also, even though I could have done without them instrument tracks requested by P5 users after it was discontinued.

You could have done us a favor and not reminded us about that one. 

John


I can't agree with the notion of function loss in X1/X2. True Notation is far better in Cubase but I think comparing them side by side you'll see how quick Sonar is over Cubase. 

You'll will be back. Oh before I forget enjoy their nice and friendly user forum.

There were several changes that took away various things but the one that really got me was the ability to non-destructively change keys on multiple MIDI tracks at once.  Sonar has good work flow but a lot of people are excited about the workflow in Cubase 7.   I'll still need Sonar for old projects but I need to compose with notation.  Also I don't consider forums when I choose my tools.  

  I can change keys non destructively. Use the Key widget in the track inspector. You can use Key Markers too. 

John


  I can change keys non destructively. Use the Key widget in the track inspector. You can use Key Markers too. 

Sorry, typo - I meant on multiple tracks at one.  (edited original post)

Now there are a few inadvertent screw ups with global control key + for quick groups. I agree and CW is aware of them.

I found MIDI outs on opened MIDI files can't be global. This is inadvertent and is not meant to be this way.