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2013/05/22 13:53:29
Beepster
I've only seen it done in Pro Tools. I should probably look at the manual for this.
2013/05/22 14:00:58
Beepster
Okay... is this how it would work? Enable Offset Mode. Set levels. Enable Envelope mode. Done? Seems to be saying faders instead of gain knobs too... doesn't work with Gain?
2013/05/22 14:10:50
g_randybrown
ahhh, okay I see how it can be useful...especially in the console view.
@ Beepster...yes, especially sharp Cheddar.


Thanks very much my friends, my life would be much more difficult without you!
2013/05/22 14:16:07
Saintom
Yes that is how I work with it. Mix in Offset mode and Automate in Automation mode.

Yes gain will do almost the same thing, but as gain is the first in the gain stage, I like to leave that alone when I have proper recorded levels, this way I will get a full signal into my FX.

I think of it this way Offset mode is in the same place in the gain stage/signal path as Automation mode, it is just a way to adjust the overall level when a track has automation.

HTH

Tom
Beepster


Okay... is this how it would work? Enable Offset Mode. Set levels. Enable Envelope mode. Done? Seems to be saying faders instead of gain knobs too... doesn't work with Gain?



2013/05/22 14:37:07
Beepster
@Randy... Heheheh. CHEESE!!! The great uniter! I hope you've been well my friend. ;-)

@SaintTom... Very cool and timely as I am just heading into a massive project. Unfortunately these printed levels aren't even as far as mix but they are all good strong signals so I don't mind fiddling with it a bit. Would just like to start with all my faders and knobs at... well a good even starting point. I will use the faders instead of the Gain knobs as per your suggestion. Thanks and pleased to meet ya. Cheers.



2013/05/22 14:54:15
stevec
I see Offset Mode is getting some attention again....     
 
Personally, I've used Offset Mode on just about every project that has automation, for just about as long as we've had it.  While lasso-ing and moving automation is certainly doable, it's still the precision factor for me - I can press "O", move a fader, and press "O" again way faster and with more accuracy than I can grab every node and line and then drag it.   Plus, I'm more confident in the change knowing that there's nothing to "miss" in the process.   I did intentionally try the "select all automation" workflow last night just for kicks, and found that I had to re-select two additional times because I kept missing nodes.  Score one for needing better size control over lanes...  
 
Another factor that can come into play is control surfaces w/ moving faders.   Adjusting a fader while in automation mode is meaningless if that software fader has automation - the hardware fader will simply snap back to where the automation tells it to be.   By using Offset mode the hardware fader becomes temporarily available.
 
One last example...  say you had four sequential tracks with volume automation, but wanted to reduce the volume of all four by 1dB.  You could adjust the downstream bus if there is one, but if there's not, or if other tracks are also output to that bus but don't need to be adjusted - press "O", drag+select all four tracks, Ctrl+Drag one fader down by 1dB, press "O".    As with all things these days, YMMV.
 
2013/05/22 15:22:13
stevec
Edit: Duplicate post courtesy of IE9.
 
2013/05/22 15:28:07
Beepster
There are some VERY serious selection problems in X2. Clips, midi events, nodes, etc. They have to fix this and it should be in patch form. Not a paid upgrade. Sorry to be negative but that is one thing I can't give the Bakers a pass on. It makes things very difficult having to second guess, double check and find workarounds for.
2013/05/22 18:56:18
g_randybrown
Well hell...I had thought the issues I was having were due to working in offset mode but apparently that wasn't the case....rather than start a new thread, I guess I should continue this one (anyone please let me know if you feel I should start a new thread)
Anyway... after turning offset mode off, now, if I drag a track from the track view (say from the bottom toward the top) it doesn't update the track pane in the PRV even after closing and reopening the project.
I then opened a project that I had never used offset mode in and it does the same thing.
Any thoughts?
Thanks very much guys,
Randy
2013/05/22 22:28:42
konradh
I must be ****ed because I cannot follow this--especially the "mix in offset and automate in automation" part. Assume I have mixed tracks with Write enabled. I thought the purpose of Offset was this: "OK, guitar fader is moving up and down perfectly but the whole thing needs to be a little louder or quieter." I would turn on Offset mode and WITH WRITE ENABLED, move the guitar fader up or down a bit to change the overall level while keeping the automation moves. Is that correct? I have never been able to get that to work right, but the first step would be to know if I even have the correct concept. Thanks!
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