daveny5


You cannot sell or give away any version of Sonar once you've installed it and accepted the license agreement. You do not own Sonar, you only own a license to use it that is non-transferable. That is the law in the US. The UK may be different. 

It's the same EULA this side of the pond, so I assume by accepting it's terms & conditions they are equally as binding here as in the US.

John6528

Beagle

John6528


To be fair. I would think if you uninstall 8.5 and install  a NEW x1, not an upgrade, then you should be able to sell the 8.5.
John

sorry, but that's not correct advice.  yours and the OP's purchase of sonar are final.  you/he agreed to the terms of the EULA when you installed it and it specifically states that you cannot sell it or transfer it.

Oh c'mon... no one reads those EULA's. If they are small print and over 3/4 page long a good lawyer can get it tossed in 10 seconds. I never even glanced at the EULA other than to check the thingy that said I agreed to it... I'll bet 99% of buyers are the same. The only thing those long obtuse EULA's are good for is making money for attorneys.   IMHO

Anyway... I didn't state it as advice, just an idea on how it should be.

John

Oh c'mon yourself!  if you don't read the EULA that's not an excuse to ignore it's policies.  you still checked the box saying you DID read it, so that means you have no integrity if you don't really agree to it but checked the box saying you do!
 
I'm not arguing how it "should" be.  I'm stating how it is.  cakewalk licensing is non transferrable and you agreed to that when you installed the software.
 
kev is right that not all software is like that, but my point is that cakewalk IS like that whether you agree with the policy or not.

When you install Sonar X1 (and many versions prior to it), you have to check two boxes that say that you can install and use it on one machine at a time, and that you cannot transfer or sell it.  It's not buried in the EULA, it's right out there in the open when you install.  Those are the two main points in the EULA and Cakewalk took steps to put them up front in a very obvious and clear manner. The legalese is in the EULA to satisfy the lawyers, but for us users they made it simple to understand. That is above and beyond what the vast majority of software companies do.  

Frankly, I think it's quite reasonable. Especially since they have a no-hassle activation scheme, and they do let you use it on more than one machine as long as you don't use them at the same time--like a desktop in the studio and a laptop on the road.

talking to my father in law last night and i had brought up someone was asking about reselling sonar..he is a lawyer(criminal so this isnt really his specialty).
but he did make mention to the fact it is a fightable case...when clicking the box youve already bought the item.the techenacality is in the purchase..one should be notified apon payment..meaning you need to have a the clerk at the store make you sign a piece of paper stating you will not re-sell..bla..bla..bla..at the time of handing the money for payment.
i dont understand that.but he said its a very aurguable case at hand...all i know is i have my sonars..lol.and in order to play fair...those are the rules..ill play by them.
like i said my f.i.l. is a criminal lawyer so he could be just talking mush,mush.

people have argued that the EULA is "fightable" - but be realistic - even if it is arguable it would take a large amount of people filing a class action suit against Roland (Cake's parent company) in order to win anything (one person suing roland would not have a snowball's chance).  if a class action suit representing a large portion of purchasers of sonar were to take roland to court - the end user would win what?  a couple of hundred bucks?  and that would likely put Roland in a position to cut its losses and shut the cakewalk company down.  who would really win from that?  only the lawyers.  no one else.

Jason the big problem is you only technically have purchased Sonar once. You therefore only have one license etc. I now see the reason they have what I have considered a stupid policy but in your case it makes perfect sense and I now see the reason for it's existence. Upgrades are either free or at a reduced cost. You original box is your only legit copy, your only 100% purchase. Selling it ( illegally or ? ) would be wrong as you then have cheated the system.

Beagle


people have argued that the EULA is "fightable" - but be realistic - even if it is arguable it would take a large amount of people filing a class action suit against Roland (Cake's parent company) in order to win anything (one person suing roland would not have a snowball's chance).  if a class action suit representing a large portion of purchasers of sonar were to take roland to court - the end user would win what?  a couple of hundred bucks?  and that would likely put Roland in a position to cut its losses and shut the cakewalk company down.  who would really win from that?  only the lawyers.  no one else.

agree..sounds like a huge headache to go through for such a simple thing.

So...I won't sell it then LOL..

I want to be fair to Cakewalk,they have and still do, continue to serve me well.
I genuinely needed to know if I was able to sell it legally. As I can't, I will stick it on a laptop for messing about with loops (hope I am allowed to do that).  

jason r


So...I won't sell it then LOL..

I want to be fair to Cakewalk,they have and still do, continue to serve me well.
I genuinely needed to know if I was able to sell it legally. As I can't, I will stick it on a laptop for messing about with loops (hope I am allowed to do that).  

that's up to your wife or significant other or whatever "boss" in life you might have!!! 

A lot of people here keep all the older versions installed just encase there's an old project you need to work on that will work better in the version it was created in. One of the best features of Cakewalk is you can always install it in another computer without fuss. Try that with Cubase, It took me 3 hours to retrieve my license from them after my  hard drive crashed.
Sonar was up and running in no time at all.
I even installed a copy of it on my office computer so I could help trouble shoot when on this forum. I don't use it for working as it has a realtech sound card and would just crash if I did.