btw, I have successfully created that sound in Pentagon, PSYNII and z3ta+(2). Never tried on any other Sonar synth but I am sure process is the same.Pentagon created the warmer style reminiscent of older dubstep type songs that were sparser in content and heavily low end oriented. Z3ta creates a greater variety, including the squelchier (is that a word) types that have migrated into pop music. It can't quite get that FM noisy growl that one can get with FM8 but I am sure a better programmer could get closer to it than me.