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2011/04/18 03:22:09
Kalle Rantaaho
rbowser


Going by how often questions are asked about it, the so-called "simple instrument track" can be confusing to recording newbies, because the user doesn't get a clear picture of what's going on.

Even with the added improvement of having both the audio and MIDI Inspector visible on a track, I still can't stand simple instrument tracks.  So set in my ways I guess - I just Gotta see the two separate things, the MIDI track, and the audio track, so I still work the "old" way.

RB

The termonology can get really wobbly sometimes. More than often the "audio output track" is called an "instrument track", and the name "soft synth track" is used for both the MIDI- and the audio output track by the posters and that can make questions rather confusing.
The fact that "Simple Instrument Track" is a monster for a name doesn't make it any easier.
2011/04/18 04:41:59
SONARtist
qannaq


And not to forget, there's the "original" use of a MIDI track : simply to send the data to an external (hardware) synth. Don't know if anybody are using that kind of thing anymore, though :-)

I use a whole bank of 'em in two racks - dinosaurs, but still VERY useable.  And you can pick up this stuff second-hand real cheap nowadays.
Of course I also use softsynths.
2011/04/18 05:55:45
brew58ski
Thought I'd chime in with my own explanation.  Before, if you wanted to use a soft synth the first track that was created for the synth was a MIDI track.  This is the track that tells the synth what to do, what notes to play, how loud, etc.  The input for this track would need to be some kind of MIDI controller (a keyboard) hooked into your computer via a MIDI input.  This is what you would specify as the soft synth's input.  If you didn't/don't have one you can create your own MIDI synth track several ways, the most common way being the piano roll.  Now that the synth has an input, it's output would be the soft synth's audio output.  But since this is a MIDI track you can't hear it.  The MIDI track is all operational data.  It is not hooked up to your computer's soundcard.  It needs to go into an audio track since,of course this is set up for audio and you had to hear the synth's audio output throught that.  So, you would then need to create an audio track whose input would be, can you guess?.  The soft synth.  You would then make the output of that track your sound card so you can now hear it.  This track is also where the synth's actual audio is recorded so you can mix it down.  the instrument track jusy combines these two track into one to make things simpler.  The two tracks actually exist but are hidden.
2013/05/19 20:36:27
jimtzu
i can't seem to find the input quantize in the instrument track inspector.. it's listed in the manual and you were talking about it but i can't find it at all..  it's there in the midi track inspector.. what am i overlooking?
2013/05/19 20:48:03
scook
There are two buttons at the bottom the the track inspector, "Audio" and "MIDI". Click the "MIDI" button, to see the MIDI controls in the inspector.
2013/05/19 20:55:09
jimtzu
thanks scook... i didn't see that in the manual or the garrigus book (which is great btw), that's what's great about this forum
2013/05/19 21:04:53
scook
It is easy to miss. I don't use instrument tracks so I had to poke around on the inspector to figure it out. Here is the doc http://www.cakewalk.com/D...pectors.2.html#1203625 the page before shows the Audio/MIDI tabs in image 173.
2013/05/20 09:04:45
garrigus
jimtzu
thanks scook... i didn't see that in the manual or the garrigus book (which is great btw), that's what's great about this forum 
Thanks, Jim! I'm glad to hear you're enjoying the book.


Check out page 165 for Simple Instrument Track info. And check out pages 59 to 60 for Input Quantize info.


Scott

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2013/05/20 11:50:17
Thatsastrat
When Sonar first started using instrument tracks I would use the split instrument track command so that I could see everything, then put them back together again into the simple instrument track after editing. That way I could get things going quickly but still have the extra control if needed pretty easily.
2013/05/22 03:14:18
jimtzu
thanks Scott..  i made the leap from v.3 to X2 so lot's to learn, i was JUST getting used to v.3 lol . i have your v.3 book and have been using it for years.  have some time now so going thru the book and finding all the new improvements.  i appreciate all the help from the forum members and the book and the people who take the time to do tutorials.   
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