1. To clone a bus (in much the same way as you can clone a track)? I'm guessing this might be difficult or impossible as you'd create two busses with identical inputs.
2. To assign a send or output from an individual audio clip to a bus?

No I don't think so to either.

Thanks for the confirmation John.

I've just had a look Steve, and there's certainly no option to clone a bus in either Track View or Console View

SteveStrummerUK


 

1. To clone a bus (in much the same way as you can clone a track)? I'm guessing this might be difficult or impossible as you'd create two busses with identical inputs.
2. To assign a send or output from an individual audio clip to a bus?

No to #1, but you could create another bus and cop it in about 30 seconds or less. If you had a few effects in the bus, you could just ctrl +drag the effects from one into the copied bus and they would use the presets used in the other. No easier way that I can come up with though. Just curious Steve, why would you want to do this? If you knew this ahead of time, you could create a project template that had bus brothers with all the same attributes.
 
For #2, you can't do it the way you are asking. However, why not just drag that clip into a new track and route just the track you drug it to, to the bus of your choice? That would take seconds. Depending on where the clip is...like if it's the last track in the project, you won't even need to make a new audio track. Just slide the clip down and it will auto-create a track for you. Then just send that clip to your bus. Or, just so you never destructively do any harm....
 
Copy the clip in the original track to a new track. Once done, hi-lite the original clip in the original track and press M to mute it so you leave that track as it was recorded. Then send the copied clip in the new track to your bus. It's not exactly what you want the way you asked, but it will do the exact same thing.....unless I've totally misunderstood you?
 
-Danny

Danny Danzi

No to #1, but you could create another bus and cop it in about 30 seconds or less. If you had a few effects in the bus, you could just ctrl +drag the effects from one into the copied bus and they would use the presets used in the other. No easier way that I can come up with though. Just curious Steve, why would you want to do this? If you knew this ahead of time, you could create a project template that had bus brothers with all the same attributes.
 
For #2, you can't do it the way you are asking. However, why not just drag that clip into a new track and route just the track you drug it to, to the bus of your choice? That would take seconds. Depending on where the clip is...like if it's the last track in the project, you won't even need to make a new audio track. Just slide the clip down and it will auto-create a track for you. Then just send that clip to your bus. Or, just so you never destructively do any harm....
 
Copy the clip in the original track to a new track. Once done, hi-lite the original clip in the original track and press M to mute it so you leave that track as it was recorded. Then send the copied clip in the new track to your bus. It's not exactly what you want the way you asked, but it will do the exact same thing.....unless I've totally misunderstood you?
 
-Danny

Hi there Danny.
 
I'll try and explain what I'm trying to do to show why I think the two options I asked about would be useful.
 
I have been using the techniques you've outlined, but I was just wondering if there was a more straightforward approach.
 
Here's part of the song I'm working on.
 
Although there are four tracks, this is, in effect, just one single rhythm guitar part:

• Tracks 21 and 23 are exact clones, panned left
• Tracks 22 and 24 are exact clones (delayed 26ms for the Haas Effect), panned right

 

 
 
What I'm trying to achieve is to have three different reverb effects in three different parts of the track.
 
All four tracks are being sent to a common Rhythm Guitar Bus, and the 'main' (very light) reverb (i.e. 'Reverb 1) is on that bus.
 
In one place during the song, I need that reverb to be quite a bit thicker. As you can see, I'd done what you advise above and cloned both the original and it's Haas partner and split off and muted the parts of the tracks I don't need. The new tracks I want the beefed up reverb (i.e. 'Reverb 2') on are sent to a new bus, which is completely identical to the Reverb 1 bus except for a different reverb setting.
 
Hence the reason I wanted to do a quick clone of the original bus, and then just adjust the reverb on the new one.
 
I tried sending the tracks to a new bus with just reverb on it before sending it on to the original guitar bus, but effectively having the reverb at the top of the effects chain makes it sound awful.
 
On the very last chord stab of the passage, I want yet another different reverb effect (i.e.' 'Reverb 3'), which has a really long decay.
 
So far, I've just added Reverb 3 to the FX bin of each of the two tracks that are 'live' (not muted) at the end of the passage.
 
Hopefully, this explains how useful it would have been to quickly clone the original rhythm guitar bus twice, and change the reverb settings on the two new clones. If I could then simply assign each relevant clip's output to whichever of these three busses is appropriate, I wouldn't even have to go through all the rigmarole of cloning the rhythm track(s), and then doing all the relevant splitting and muting.
 
 
 
 

I don't think you can do it the way you "ask".

Like Danny said, drag the clips to another track or automate all the plug ins?

SteveStrummerUK

Danny Danzi

No to #1, but you could create another bus and cop it in about 30 seconds or less. If you had a few effects in the bus, you could just ctrl +drag the effects from one into the copied bus and they would use the presets used in the other. No easier way that I can come up with though. Just curious Steve, why would you want to do this? If you knew this ahead of time, you could create a project template that had bus brothers with all the same attributes.
 
For #2, you can't do it the way you are asking. However, why not just drag that clip into a new track and route just the track you drug it to, to the bus of your choice? That would take seconds. Depending on where the clip is...like if it's the last track in the project, you won't even need to make a new audio track. Just slide the clip down and it will auto-create a track for you. Then just send that clip to your bus. Or, just so you never destructively do any harm....
 
Copy the clip in the original track to a new track. Once done, hi-lite the original clip in the original track and press M to mute it so you leave that track as it was recorded. Then send the copied clip in the new track to your bus. It's not exactly what you want the way you asked, but it will do the exact same thing.....unless I've totally misunderstood you?
 
-Danny

Hi there Danny.
 
I'll try and explain what I'm trying to do to show why I think the two options I asked about would be useful.
 
I have been using the techniques you've outlined, but I was just wondering if there was a more straightforward approach.
 
Here's part of the song I'm working on.
 
Although there are four tracks, this is, in effect, just one single rhythm guitar part:

• Tracks 21 and 23 are exact clones, panned left
• Tracks 22 and 24 are exact clones (delayed 26ms for the Haas Effect), panned right

 

 
 
What I'm trying to achieve is to have three different reverb effects in three different parts of the track.
 
All four tracks are being sent to a common Rhythm Guitar Bus, and the 'main' (very light) reverb (i.e. 'Reverb 1) is on that bus.
 
In one place during the song, I need that reverb to be quite a bit thicker. As you can see, I'd done what you advise above and cloned both the original and it's Haas partner and split off and muted the parts of the tracks I don't need. The new tracks I want the beefed up reverb (i.e. 'Reverb 2') on are sent to a new bus, which is completely identical to the Reverb 1 bus except for a different reverb setting.
 
Hence the reason I wanted to do a quick clone of the original bus, and then just adjust the reverb on the new one.
 
I tried sending the tracks to a new bus with just reverb on it before sending it on to the original guitar bus, but effectively having the reverb at the top of the effects chain makes it sound awful.
 
On the very last chord stab of the passage, I want yet another different reverb effect (i.e.' 'Reverb 3'), which has a really long decay.
 
So far, I've just added Reverb 3 to the FX bin of each of the two tracks that are 'live' (not muted) at the end of the passage.
 
Hopefully, this explains how useful it would have been to quickly clone the original rhythm guitar bus twice, and change the reverb settings on the two new clones. If I could then simply assign each relevant clip's output to whichever of these three busses is appropriate, I wouldn't even have to go through all the rigmarole of cloning the rhythm track(s), and then doing all the relevant splitting and muting.
 
 
 
 

You kill me with these charts you make up....excellent work Steve! I always know where you're going with things when you provide info like this. :) Ok, let's talk about a few things..
 
First off, the cloned track thing doesn't need to be done really unless you have a specific reason for doing so. You can take one track and add a delay on the track using the HAAS effect without cloning or sliding the tracks around. A delay right on the Fx bin will sort you with one track of guitar making it sound like two. Try it...you'll hear what I mean. Set a delay to 100% wet on both sides of the outputs on the delay. (use Sonitus for starters)
 
Set the left side as low as possible (0.1 ms) and the right side to taste. I'd say go at least 30 ms so you can hear the HAAS taking form. A bigger number will make things sound looser, a smaller number here will tighten things up. Too tight and it will sound weird. So anywhere from the mid 20's to 30's should be ok. This should stop you from cloning and sliding to achieve the HAAS. This works much better to me and gives you more control without doing anything destructive.
 
Remember, anything you clone will not make your guitar sounds any bigger. Even when you delay the signal, slide the clip etc. You will get stereo imaging and a wider sound, but it will not be bigger. The reason being, you are relying on one performance. The key to making your guitar sounds bigger (there's a difference between bigger and wider) is individual takes. Always play at least two individual takes if you can Steve. Use the HAAS thing for quikie ideas or for effects purposes when you just want one guitar to be a little wider. I know you probably know all this stuff, but I figured I'd share just in case.
 
Ok next, to get away from bussing all together, you COULD just add a Sonitus Reverb (or the verb of your choice that sports a wet and dry control) right on each clip using a different verb sound. You'll be in good shape as long as you can control the amount of dry sound in the verb. One of the problems with using the fx bin with certain reverbs is, if they don't have a dry control, you get so much effect that you literally lose volume. With the Sonitus stuff, this doesn't happen as you have that dry control as well as the wet reverb.
 
I've done this like crazy on clips Steve, so no worries man, it does work and you won't have any artifacts. The only thing you would lose is the bus. You could even drop an eq on the clip after the verb if you wanted to eq the verb. That's one of the cool things with Sonitus though also....they basically give you an eq within the verb so an additional eq is really not needed.
 
Anyway, I don't know if any of this will help you, but it's definitely worth a shot and will give you pretty much the same results if not the same exact results. You can just build the effects directly on the clip just like you would add effects on a bus bin. Let me know how you make out with all this. Good luck! :)
 
-Danny  

Great stuff as always Danny
 
I'll give all that a try.
 
And thanks Alex - I did consider that, but the final reverb I'm using is a completely is different VST.
 
 

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