2013/05/15 14:05:24
deswind


Me too. I really wish they would support each version for at least 2 years with bug fixes and such.
Again, no money in that so just pay for our new version with new bugs. 

Mike  

Yes - that has been the case.  However, I do think they could charge for updates and if they resolve problems, add GUI features, like choosing colors, I would gladly pay for them.   


2013/05/15 14:25:25
brconflict
Someone mentioned about "framework"-ing Sonar. I think that would be grand idea. Allow us to customize what features/functions are important to each of us, so we can either a) purchase only the options we want, leaving the ones we don't want out, or b) be able to uninstall or disable the features/functions we don't want to make Sonar scream when we need to. I would think that modularizing the code could, in a sense, aid in troubleshooting. If one feature is broken, many others can be removed/disabled and eliminated as a culprit. Of course, decent syslogging would be a start. 

As for "a" above, this is what the market wants (ala iPhone apps). If you make the features/modules cheap, then everybody will buy them, just because they're cool and cheap. Better sales. For example, for an Essential user that only wants to add Pro-Channel and nothing else, can pay $39 for ProChannel ($19 on Sale). If you're like me and don't find ProChannel useful, you can still get all the other features you want from Producer, and discount PC (discount $29). I may decide to buy it later at $39. 

We all keep shopping after we buy. Why not have some additions to offer to those of us who would purchase things like PC if we own Essentials, but can't afford $200+ to upgrade to Producer. Cakewalk has Essentials users out there. Why not grab some extra cash and sell them PC? Producer has other features that make it worth it (well, at least it can). 
2013/05/15 15:09:41
Bajan Blue
I upgraded to X2 but some of the features / bugs? in the initial release I had an issue with - Lanes for example - Kennis favorite gripe and I feel a very genuine gripe.
I went back to X1 which for me is very stable.
I did download and install the X2 patch release but it didn't seem to change much for me, so I am still using X1 and still waiting the next patch release.
I am not sure what I would do if they don't fix some of the issues in X2 and went straight to another paid upgrade - I would think very long and hard about this.
I changed initially (Sonar 4 I think) from Cubase (whatever  version at the time), and the thought of changing again does not fill me with glee.
But if they don't fix X2 before moving to another version, this would make me consider where I go next.
Let's hope they don't go that route.
Nigel

2013/05/15 15:29:10
ampfixer
In my mind there's really nothing left to add in terms of features. I'm expecting something big for X3 but most of it will be in the background. It seems like a new audio engine is what's needed. It would make everything more stable and probably has to be done if vari-speed and other things are to work properly.

I'm using the lull in X development to try the competition and buy some new gear. None of it from Cakewalk.
2013/05/15 16:00:40
Paul P
brconflict : "We all keep shopping after we buy"

Not me. I bought X1/X2 Producer figuring it would serve for years as is, like buying Office or similar. If it has bugs, and it does, I expect them to be fixed.
I see no need or reason to buy X3 since X2 already does way more than I need, or will need for the foreseable future.

I can't imagine that it could already be time for X3 anyway. X2 has only been out for a few months.



2013/05/15 16:43:49
brconflict
Paul P


brconflict : "We all keep shopping after we buy"

Not me. I bought X1/X2 Producer figuring it would serve for years as is, like buying Office or similar. If it has bugs, and it does, I expect them to be fixed.
I see no need or reason to buy X3 since X2 already does way more than I need, or will need for the foreseable future.

I can't imagine that it could already be time for X3 anyway. X2 has only been out for a few months.


My point is, that, when you sign up for email updates from Sonar, most people open them and check out new offerings. But unless you're running an old version or are looking for plug-ins, most of their emails aren't very useful. I use Waves as an example here, which was super-successful to get my business. If you bought Sonar the was you can shop for a computer on Dell's website, and check-box the options you want, then you see a price. Obviously, the more you buy, the better your discount in this case, which would equal to what you pay for today for Producer. Then, over time, you can watch for deals on modules and options, like Waves offers plug-ins discounts monthly.

But let's say, for example, you buy Sonar with ProChannel, Console Emulation, and a few plug-ins, but not the EQ, BREVERB, or Compressor (whichever one you don't want). You also decide to hold off on the MIDI options. You can get Sonar for cheaper, say $199. Once you get it under control and you feel you're ready for MIDI, you can not only choose to add the MIDI option later at, say $39, but when you receive a Sonar monthly email, you might see it on sale for $29. Waves does this all the time and gets so many hits from that. In fact, you're more likely to buy it simply because of the sale, and you're more likely to jump on the Sonar bandwagon because the starting price was $199. 

My point is that, if you could buy Sonar for $199, then buy only the options you want, you're more likely to go that route vs. buy DP at full price which contains features you may never ever use. And if you buy the $199 Sonar vs DP 8, you're less likely to jump ship. 

Here's another example of how this could win some hearts: Don't like Take Lanes? Guess what! You can buy either Lanes or Layers at $9 each and you can use either, both, or neither! Many people would buy both at $9. Cakewalk can offer different user-interfaces and sell them each for $5. 

The idea is piecemeal, but it REALLY works in the Smart-phone market, among other industries. It's harder to make a choice when the price for full versions start at $399. I just think rather than sell three different versions, change to a frame-work and allow "us" to decide what features it contains. 
2013/05/16 06:38:46
Bajan Blue
Not me. I bought X1/X2 Producer figuring it would serve for years as is, like buying Office or similar. If it has bugs, and it does, I expect them to be fixed.



I agree - before any new / paid upgrade, X2 must be sorted - I have to say that I do feel Cakewalk have taken far too long this time to resolve the X2 issues - I purchased X2 September last year - it is now May and I am still not confident enough in the product (X2) to swap full time from X1.
This cannot be right.
Nigel
2013/05/16 07:56:41
synkrotron
It's been so damn quiet though, hasn't it?

I'm lucky, for what I do, X2a is working fine, although I've not got it working fully on Windows 8 just yet cos I'm still registering all my VST's and stuff, but I'm sure it will be fine.

I'd probably get X3, if it was ever released, but I would also happily use X2 until I pop me cloggs.
2013/05/16 09:10:01
icontakt
Paul P


I bought X1/X2 Producer figuring it would serve for years as is, like buying Office or similar.

I used Sonar 2 for about 10 years.   (ok, maybe that was a mistake )

I can't imagine that it could already be time for X3 anyway.
Agreed.
2013/05/16 11:26:09
amiller
The lack of Cakewalk input here is deafening.  It reminds me of the experience I had when dealing with Roland and the VS2480...Roland = absent.
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