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Thanks for the reply Bob. I am able to do what you describe, but I'd also like to record the audio output of the VSTi as it is being used, instead of recording the midi, then bouncing it to a track.

This morning's simple question is - why?

Why do you feel the need for recordings just the audio, rendering any future editing of notes completely impossible?

Also, even with just the Midi recorded, you don't need to bounce it to audio afterwards, unless your pc is hopelessly underpowered and you need to free up resources.

my mornings simple question is why not? and why is sonar the only daw that i cant do this in?  
jeff youre spot on about reaktor. the only way i can capture this stuff in a show is by running a line out from the mixing board to a digital recorder or using reaktors built in recorder as you mentioned. 
why did 4'33 ever need to be recorded if every performance was different? 


for doing art installations with algorithmically generated sounds it can be necessary for arts funding as many institutions want to see the final work or have a recprd of it.


i loveworking with controlled randomness in reason and resampling textures which recording from vsts and combinators allows me to do. im a bit of a mad scientist though and delve deeply into experimental uses of software. 


if cake could get this feature and the ability to correctly route midi out from multiple soft synths it would be my only daw.

Hi Arvid - the only reason for my "why" question is that being a relatively new user, he/she might not be aware that with a reasonably modern DAW, it's simply not necessary to record the audio, or indeed to bounce the Midi down.


I completely understand the scenarios mentioned by yourself & others and in those cases, a solution is required, but in his case, it might be a simple case of not having to bother.

I can understand wanting or needing to turn a midi track into audio... If it needs to be transported, the possibility of the plugins being available at the new location is shaky... (ya think?) ;-)

So I usually turn all tracks to audio at completion whether necessary or not... The original midi and plugins still exist anyway and I can always go back to them...

I actually do this all the time when working with my external synths... I record the midi on a midi track while recording the audio output of the external synth as audio... So I don't have to turn that/those synths on evertime I work on the song... I can easily go back and render a new version...

But there are always "situations" so I'm sure there is somewhere I chance to need/want this as an one-pass function for softsynths...

Keni

The question is not whether anyone understands the need or desire to record a softsynth directly to audio the question is can it be done in Sonar without a workaround ? As mentioned above the answer appears to be no. You can route a synth's output to the input of another Audio track but then that track loses it's ability to record. I've tried every input/output option I can think of this afternoon with no success. I don't often have the desire to record a VSTi's performance to audio as one would do with the performance of any external instrument but when I do I'll just use Reaper. To the OP....you might want to submit a feature request to CW and maybe this ability will be added to a future version of Sonar without the need for workarounds.

Thanks for all of the thoughtful replies to my post. I usually do record the midi in case I need to edit it, but in this case I was simply trying to export a file of a song demo that had one track of acoustic guitar and vocal, and was using Addictive Drums as a click track. I used the sync function on AD so there was no midi track. I was using a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, so there is no software mixer to reroute the signal. I ended up using TapeIt, inserted into the master buss and recording the output, then importing it into an audio track. It then needs to be aligned with the other audio tracks. Seems like an unnecessary waste of time. I also have a Delta PCI card with a software mixer, and I was able to re-route the signal into a track to record it, but I was doing song demos on my laptop. Is there a way to export a file that has the output of Addictive Drums without creating an audio track? I've been using Cakewalk since before Sonar came out, so I'm not a new user. BTW, I downloaded the X2 trial, and it's not possible to do it in X2 either. Seems like a simple thing that should be possible.

John


Jeff if those synths are not triggered by MIDI how do they know what note to play?  Also how does one "play" one? Then, I thought Reaktor did respond to MIDI. 

hey john... yeah i totally get your idea about drums and being able to bounce the track later, which in most cases is going to suffice.  i just wanted to share a vid about one of my favorite tools in reaktor that doesn't use midi notes as such.  it's called newscool and it's based on conways game of life, one of the most popular implementations of randomness in music construction.  it's quite fun because i've been hacking the heck out of it lately to accept osc input from mobile devices for an art installation a friend of mine and i are working on.  basically you can change the initial pattern on the left sequencer window by simply drawing a pattern in the left hand screen - which is possible via midi input, but it's a bit easier using open sound control because there aren't limitations in i/o found in midi.  the problem is sonar doesn't record osc commands so you have to build a layer to write osc data if you ever want to recreate the performance, which typically requires a max/msp or pure data solution.  it's really fun stuff like jeff was saying - not always musical but quite brilliant.  anyway... here's the vid.  check it out i think you'd really like it.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhWcDvbWU9A

You should be able to bounce the audio of AD to another track or just freeze the synth. That will create a wave file for you.

I did try that, but for some reason it would not work. Does it need a midi track with data to create the audio track?

I did try that, but for some reason it would not work. Does it need a midi track with data to create the audio track?

In Sonar.....any soft synth audio is triggered via the assigned midi track...What ever input you are using to trigger AD should be seen on the MIDI track when recording.....little dots

That MIDI track output must be inputting the audio track where AD is inserted....if you are using the MIDI samples inside the Drum synth....you must learn how to drag them to a MIDI track

Then when you hit bounce on the audio track that AD is assigned Sonar will *bounce down to that track 

Even if there is no midi data there must be a midi track with its output set the the drim synth. I use Jamstix this way. Even with no midi data you must select the midi track and the drum synth audio track and then drag select the timeline before you bounce to track.