• SONAR
  • A message for the professionals who are freaking out (p.4)
2017/11/29 23:15:36
dappa1
I have used a demo of Studio One and it was a really good experience. Fluid is the word that springs to mind. I am waiting on some finances then I will be with Studio One oh most definitely. I came from Cubase I am not going back there and the other DAWS for Windows nahhhh forget it.
2017/11/29 23:18:09
ibediggin
so far i really like studio 1 too
 
2017/11/30 00:07:26
BobF
Who "freaked out"?  Did I miss something good? 
2017/11/30 00:26:58
BMOG
As it stands now what is Plat missing or truly needing to be fixed? If I never get another update I am fine with that the software is solid and takes care of all my needs and then some. I downloaded the install files today so I feel much better about whatever comes of Plat. Not going anywhere been here to long to jump ship now
2017/11/30 01:18:02
mixmkr
BMOG
As it stands now what is Plat missing or truly needing to be fixed? If I never get another update I am fine with that the software is solid and takes care of all my needs and then some. I downloaded the install files today so I feel much better about whatever comes of Plat. Not going anywhere been here to long to jump ship now


I said that before the polyphonic Melodyne came out....and drum replacer ...and the CA2A....and...
But although very robust, my SPlat will still crash on my StudioCat custom computer....WITHOUT 3rd party stuff except my audio interface.
That's the issue...if you're satisfied now... that's great.  If you're interested in new technology as it develops for DAW, that won't happen in Sonar anymore.
2017/11/30 03:32:25
michaelhanson
mixmkr
dcumpian
My reasons for looking at other DAW's isn't that Sonar will break, it's that it is already broken and now will never get fixed. I've been using Cakewalk software since the early 90's, so everything I know about DAW's comes from that experience.
 
When I first tried Studio One v1 way back when I bought a PreSonus interface, I thought, "well this is pretty basic" and stuck with Sonar.
 
When Platinum first started with the rolling updates and bugs were affecting me in nearly every release, I tried Reaper. After several severe migraines, and a Sonar update that actually addressed some issues, I stuck with Sonar.
 
This latest drama prompted me to take another look at Studio One, but this time, v3.5. Wow, how things have changed. After almost a week with it, I have not run into a single bug. Not one. For someone with limited time to be creative, that was an astonishing acknowledgement. Working with it was like a breath of fresh air. I wasn't saving every time I changed something for fear of the white screen of death. It worked the way I always hoped that, someday maybe, Sonar would.
 
I love Sonar and know it like the back of my hand, but it's done folks.
 
Regards,
Dan


I agree with this a lot.  Working on software that will never technically advance, in a rapidly changing tech world, bothers me as well.  Being satisfied now with Sonar and...STAYING satisfied  down the line is quite another topic.  Certainly isn't TECHNICALLY competitive for a commercial studio to be running software that is no longer updated and supported either.
After a week, I also have not had a single crash, except when I imported some Cakewalk VST into the project to see if they'd work.  Presonus on its' own has NOT crashed once.  I'd get about 1 crash every 10 hours with Sonar.  See my computer specs too.  Not some Best Buy Dell computer.


My plan is to take the Studio One offer, for the very reasons stated above. I know Sonar will most likely function for several years. That means that I am free to learn SO3 at my own pace and migrate when I feel comfortable. I have adopted the attitude that it surely won't hurt to be fluent in multiple Programs. I still have several projects working right now in Sonar and will finish those before I move onto an unfamiliar program. I will probably take those same tracks as wav file and import them into SO3, to use for my training, on the side. When I finally get to the right comfort level, I will make the final switch to SO3. However, that doesn't mean that I will remove Sonar from my machine or completely abandon it.
2017/11/30 06:37:48
losguy
michaelhanson
mixmkr
dcumpian
My reasons for looking at other DAW's isn't that Sonar will break, it's that it is already broken and now will never get fixed. I've been using Cakewalk software since the early 90's, so everything I know about DAW's comes from that experience.
... 
This latest drama prompted me to take another look at Studio One, but this time, v3.5. Wow, how things have changed. After almost a week with it, I have not run into a single bug. Not one. For someone with limited time to be creative, that was an astonishing acknowledgement. Working with it was like a breath of fresh air. I wasn't saving every time I changed something for fear of the white screen of death. It worked the way I always hoped that, someday maybe, Sonar would.
 
I love Sonar and know it like the back of my hand, but it's done folks.
 
Regards,
Dan


I agree with this a lot.  Working on software that will never technically advance, in a rapidly changing tech world, bothers me as well.  Being satisfied now with Sonar and...STAYING satisfied  down the line is quite another topic.  Certainly isn't TECHNICALLY competitive for a commercial studio to be running software that is no longer updated and supported either.
After a week, I also have not had a single crash, except when I imported some Cakewalk VST into the project to see if they'd work.  Presonus on its' own has NOT crashed once.  I'd get about 1 crash every 10 hours with Sonar.  See my computer specs too.  Not some Best Buy Dell computer.

My plan is to take the Studio One offer, for the very reasons stated above. I know Sonar will most likely function for several years. That means that I am free to learn SO3 at my own pace and migrate when I feel comfortable. I have adopted the attitude that it surely won't hurt to be fluent in multiple Programs. I still have several projects working right now in Sonar and will finish those before I move onto an unfamiliar program. I will probably take those same tracks as wav file and import them into SO3, to use for my training, on the side. When I finally get to the right comfort level, I will make the final switch to SO3. However, that doesn't mean that I will remove Sonar from my machine or completely abandon it.

I am thinking pretty much along the same lines as the above on all counts. I'm currently waiting for JRR to send my SOP3 license info and looking forward to digging into it on a fresh set of projects.
2017/11/30 06:42:58
Jeff Evans
For those that do use their DAW professionally the obvious thing to do is nothing.  Just keep on going until a decent break in work shows up which it will.  Then one can investigate alternatives etc.. I think these days they make it easier to try things out too.  And even a job comes in, the obvious thing is to use the usual DAW to do it.  Then just phase out one and into the other when the time is right.  There will be a point where the one that is taking over will be close to ready to handle the types of things that may be thrown at it.  Then it just a matter of time.  There is also no reason why you cannot just stay with what you have and keep producing great music forever. 
 
I did the change around 2011 so its been 6 years now.  You become so strong and solid in using it then anything before just disappears into oblivion.  Everything before seems clunky and cluttered.  But as Craig points out, it is not that hard to get into any DAW.  They all very much do the same thing you know.  Whichever one you know is the best DAW for you.  But that one know can change.  See it as healthy and a good thing to do.  Changes up all your perspectives.  Gets you thinking in a new and fresh way.  Your mixes can sound different in many ways as a result.  But you can also arrive at a similar mix from any starting point too.
 
 
2017/11/30 07:05:46
mixmkr
Jeff Evans
 See it as healthy and a good thing to do.  Changes up all your perspectives.  Gets you thinking in a new and fresh way.  Your mixes can sound different in many ways as a result.  But you can also arrive at a similar mix from any starting point too.

Actually that has been happening as I am transitioning from Sonar to S1.  I am coming up with slightly different methods and the results has been better for it.  The Presonus plug-ins are not dumpster quality like some have said, but rather very good in my opinion.  But they're different.  The virtual instruments sound a tad dated to some extent, but the Mai Tai is smoking some of my old Korg Wavestation sounds.  Plus it's very easy to use.  It's new and fun.

However...... the fact that Sonar will never progress past its' last incarnation, is a very detrimental aspect of it to me.  As I stated earlier... There WILL be new things happening in the audio world, and there is a huge potential they won't be usable in Sonar.  Granted it's a great program NOW... but so are tape machines.  But I wouldn't touch a reel to reel and their headaches nowadays.  Not to get into the digital/analog debate, hopefully you see my point regarding the aspect of audio evolution.  Will Melodyne 6 function on SPlat with requirements of Win 12 and ARA 6.0 support?  Will VST 7's function in the FX bin?  Will even the faderport 32 (version 3) even hookup using USB 4?
See my point??
2017/11/30 07:11:10
mixmkr
Jeff Evans
For those that do use their DAW professionally the obvious thing to do is nothing.  Just keep on going until a decent break in work shows up which it will.  Then one can investigate alternatives etc.. I think these days they make it easier to try things out too.  


Actually, I might think you put in extra hours and put your nose to the grindstone...and get as comfortable with the new DAW asap.  It's unknown if Windows might up and break the Sonar functionality next week (if you also rely on keeping Win10 current and your computer hooked to the internet...for OTHER updates of your audio software).  Getting caught with your pants down in the business world typically isn't desired (unless you're in the White House!!). 
A solid 40 hours, if you're worth your salt in computer recording, ought to get up and running, to operate on a professional level.   In the "old days"...I didn't have time to learn the control room of a studio I'd never worked in before.  You take off running and hope the patch bay is sensibly labeled and the tape machines had good brakes!
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